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Wednesday, 19 September 2012
quote [ A historian of early Christianity at Harvard Divinity School has identified a papyrus fragment in the Coptic language that she says contains the first known statement saying that Jesus was married. The fragment also refers to a female disciple. ]
A Faded Piece of Papyrus Refers to Jesus’ Wife
[literature] [by Chrix@12:07amGMT] [+10 Interesting] By LAURIE GOODSTEIN Published: September 18, 2012 CAMBRIDGE, Mass. — A historian of early Christianity at Harvard Divinity School has identified a scrap of papyrus that she says was written in Coptic in the fourth century and contains a phrase never seen in any piece of Scripture: “Jesus said to them, ‘My wife ...’ ” Professor Karen L. King, in her office at Harvard Divinity School, held a fragment of papyrus that she says was written in Coptic in the fourth century and contains a reference to Jesus' wife. The faded papyrus fragment is smaller than a business card, with eight lines on one side, in black ink legible under a magnifying glass. Just below the line about Jesus having a wife, the papyrus includes a second provocative clause that purportedly says, “she will be able to be my disciple.” The finding was made public in Rome on Tuesday at an international meeting of Coptic scholars by Karen L. King, a historian who has published several books about new Gospel discoveries and is the first woman to hold the nation’s oldest endowed chair, the Hollis professor of divinity. The provenance of the papyrus fragment is a mystery, and its owner has asked to remain anonymous. Until Tuesday, Dr. King had shown the fragment to only a small circle of experts in papyrology and Coptic linguistics, who concluded that it is most likely not a forgery. But she and her collaborators say they are eager for more scholars to weigh in and perhaps upend their conclusions. Even with many questions unsettled, the discovery could reignite the debate over whether Jesus was married, whether Mary Magdalene was his wife and whether he had a female disciple. These debates date to the early centuries of Christianity, scholars say. But they are relevant today, when global Christianity is roiling over the place of women in ministry and the boundaries of marriage. The discussion is particularly animated in the Roman Catholic Church, where despite calls for change, the Vatican has reiterated the teaching that the priesthood cannot be opened to women and married men because of the model set by Jesus. Dr. King gave an interview and showed the papyrus fragment, encased in glass, to reporters from The New York Times, The Boston Globe and Harvard Magazine in her garret office in the tower at Harvard Divinity School last Thursday . She left the next day for Rome to deliver her paper on the find on Tuesday at the International Congress of Coptic Studies. She repeatedly cautioned that this fragment should not be taken as proof that Jesus, the historical person, was actually married. The text was probably written centuries after Jesus lived, and all other early, historically reliable Christian literature is silent on the question, she said. But the discovery is exciting, Dr. King said, because it is the first known statement from antiquity that refers to Jesus speaking of a wife. It provides further evidence that there was an active discussion among early Christians about whether Jesus was celibate or married, and which path his followers should choose. “This fragment suggests that some early Christians had a tradition that Jesus was married,” Dr. King said. “There was, we already know, a controversy in the second century over whether Jesus was married, caught up with a debate about whether Christians should marry and have sex.” Dr. King first learned about what she calls “The Gospel of Jesus’s Wife” when she received an e-mail in 2010 from a private collector who asked her to translate it. Dr. King, 58, specializes in Coptic literature, and has written books on the Gospel of Judas, the Gospel of Mary of Magdala, Gnosticism and women in antiquity. The owner, who has a collection of Greek, Coptic and Arabic papyri, is not willing to be identified by name, nationality or location, because, Dr. King said, “He doesn’t want to be hounded by people who want to buy this.” When, where or how the fragment was discovered is unknown. The collector acquired it in a batch of papyri in 1997 from the previous owner, a German. It came with a handwritten note in German that names a professor of Egyptology in Berlin, now deceased, and cited him calling the fragment “the sole example” of a text in which Jesus claims a wife. The owner carried the fragment to the Divinity School in December 2011 and left it with Dr. King. She said she was initially suspicious, but it looked promising enough to explore. Three months later, she carried the fragment in her red handbag to New York to show it to two colleagues, both papyrologists: Roger Bagnall, director of the Institute for the Study of the Ancient World, at New York University, and AnneMarie Luijendijk, an associate professor of religion at Princeton University. They examined the scrap under sharp magnification. It was very small — only 4 by 8 centimeters. The lettering was splotchy and uneven, the hand of an amateur, but not unusual for the time period, when many Christians were poor and persecuted. It was written in Coptic, an Egyptian language that uses Greek characters — and more precisely, in Sahidic Coptic, a dialect from southern Egypt, Dr. Luijendijk said in an interview. What convinced them it was probably genuine was the fading of the ink on the papyrus fibers, and traces of ink adhered to the bent fibers at the torn edges. The back side is so faint that only five words are visible, one only partly: “my moth[er],” “three,” “forth which.” “It would be impossible to forge,” said Dr. Luijendijk, who contributed to Dr. King’s paper. Dr. Bagnall reasoned that a forger would have had to be expert in Coptic grammar, handwriting and ideas. Most forgeries he has seen were nothing more than gibberish. And if it were a forgery intended to cause a sensation or make someone rich, why would it have lain in obscurity for so many years? “It’s hard to construct a scenario that is at all plausible in which somebody fakes something like this. The world is not really crawling with crooked papyrologists,” Dr. Bagnall said. The piece is torn into a rough rectangle, so that the document is missing its adjoining text on the left, right, top and bottom — most likely the work of a dealer who divided up a larger piece to maximize his profit, Dr. Bagnall said. Much of the context, therefore, is missing. But Dr. King was struck by phrases in the fragment like “My mother gave to me life,” and “Mary is worthy of it,” which resemble snippets from the Gospels of Thomas and Mary. Experts believe those were written in the late second century and translated into Coptic. She surmises that this fragment is also copied from a second century Greek text. The meaning of the words, “my wife,” is beyond question, Dr. King said. “These words can mean nothing else.” The text beyond “my wife” is cut off. Dr. King did not have the ink dated using carbon testing. She said it would require scraping off too much, destroying the relic. She still plans to have the ink tested by spectroscopy, which could roughly determine its age by its chemical composition. Dr. King submitted her paper to The Harvard Theological Review, which asked three scholars to review it. Two questioned its authenticity, but they had seen only low-resolution photographs of the fragment and were unaware that expert papyrologists had seen the actual item and judged it to be genuine, Dr. King said. One of the two questioned the grammar, translation and interpretation. Ariel Shisha-Halevy, an eminent Coptic linguist at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, was consulted, and responded in an e-mail in September, “I believe — on the basis of language and grammar — the text is authentic.” Major doubts allayed, The Review plans to publish Dr. King’s article in its January issue. The owner has offered to donate the papyrus to Harvard if the university buys a “substantial part of his collection,” Dr. King said, which Harvard is considering. She said she will “push him to come forward,” in part to avoid stoking conspiracy theories. The notion that Jesus had a wife was the central conceit of the best seller and movie “The Da Vinci Code.” But Dr. King said she wants nothing to do with the code or its author: “At least, don’t say this proves Dan Brown was right.” |
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satanspenis666
said @ 12:25am GMT on 19th Sep
[Score:2 Underrated]
+1 Dan Brown is still full of shit. |
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Garr123
said @ 12:46am GMT on 19th Sep
+1 +1 Dan Brown is still full of shit. |
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themanwhoeatslettus
said @ 12:55am GMT on 19th Sep
+1 for brown shit |
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sanepride
said @ 12:46am GMT on 19th Sep
[Score:5 Insightful]
Did he ever claim to be anything other than a writer of fiction? |
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chold_numa
said @ 1:24pm GMT on 19th Sep
Well, I guess he presents himself as a writer with original ideas. Seeing as he probably pinched a whole bunch of ideas from otherpeople, and slapped on a plot and some characters, that seems questionable. |
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sanepride
said @ 4:01pm GMT on 19th Sep
Well we do live in an age where virtually nothing is truly original. |
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damnit
said @ 5:33pm GMT on 19th Sep
Embrace the Remix from Kirby Ferguson on Vimeo. |
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azazel
said @ 3:06pm GMT on 19th Sep
[Score:2]
Yes. "All rituals, science, artwork, and monuments in this novel are real" "All descriptions of artwork, architecture, documents, and secret rituals in this novel are accurate" Let's just ignore that the map of Rome is incorrect. Or any of the other "facts" that happen to be incorrect. |
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sanepride
said @ 4:00pm GMT on 19th Sep
Interesting, though I admit I've never read his books. Saw the DaVinci Code movie, thought it was incredibly dumb. My wife, who's a bit of a literary snob, tried to read the book but abandoned it as 'trash'. |
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azazel
said @ 4:12pm GMT on 19th Sep
[Score:1 Informative]
Well, I'd listen to her -- his books are pretty bad. It's not just that he gets his facts all wrong, which he does, but his writing style is... not good. The Da Vinci Code may well be the only novel ever written that begins with the word renowned. Here is the paragraph with which the book opens. The scene (says a dateline under the chapter heading, 'Prologue') is the Louvre, late at night:From Language Log: THE DAN BROWN CODE. The links at the bottom of the page are worth reading, because reading about how horrible other people are at writing is always fun. |
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azazel
said @ 4:22pm GMT on 19th Sep
Furthermore, I don't think he's ever visited Paris (or the Louvre), because his descriptions doesn't make much sense. Or London, for that matter. In Paris Langdon is driven to the Louvre from the Paris Ritz. On the way they pass the Opera House and cross Place Vendôme. That's quite a detour, given that the Ritz is *on* Place Vendôme, and the Opera House is in the opposite direction from the Louvre. He also walks north from Sacré-Coeur, across the Seine -- which is a bit difficult, given that Sacé-Coeur is north of the river. This might seem like nitpicking, but when you present something as fact, you should maybe try and check it out before using it. I also reacted to a scene in the Louvre, where he's escaping with Sophie. She threatens to destroy the painting opposite the Mona Lisa -- Leonardo's Virgin of the Rocks. But that doesn't hang in the same gallery (at least it didn't when I was there). Opposite Mona Lisa was Caliari's "The Wedding Feast at Cana". My girlfriend enjoys his books. Whenever I find myself with nothing to read I like to try and find mistakes in them; it's not terribly hard. |
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GordonGuano
said @ 6:18pm GMT on 19th Sep
Not that I would be able to tell anything Dan Brown got wrong about Paris, but your description made me think of this scene: |
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KingPellinore
said @ 1:20am GMT on 19th Sep
+1 Satan's Penis 666 Says Dan Brown is Still Full of Shit |
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mechanical contrivance
said @ 1:54am GMT on 20th Sep
It's an easy name to remember. |
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damnit
said @ 3:04am GMT on 19th Sep
[Score:3 Insightful]
It's an entertaining read. But, by your logic, Assassin's Creed is full of shit. |
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happiest_sadist
said @ 6:01am GMT on 20th Sep
[Score:2]
Umberto Eco > Dan Brown to state the obvious |
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zenviper
said @ 12:58am GMT on 19th Sep
Called it. |
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robotroadkill
said @ 2:26am GMT on 19th Sep
[Score:3 Informative]
Actual quote from the peer reviewed article... "...that our findings are consistent with the so-called 'Zenviper Hypothesis,' first proposed in an online tranny porn website, which predicts that Jesus was married. Until more evidence is uncovered, however, certain predictions made by the hypothesis remain untested, such as the duration and freqency of mutual fisting sessions and the percent volume of semen recovered per felching event...." |
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happiest_sadist
said @ 4:15am GMT on 19th Sep
[Score:2]
Not to mention the heretofore unknown commandment regarding manual gratification of livestock. |
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mjteegarden
said @ 1:00am GMT on 19th Sep
I have heard it asked, if Jewish Rabbis of the time were expected to marry and have children, and if Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi, why would he not marry and have children? |
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Ankylosaur
said @ 1:10am GMT on 19th Sep
[Score:1 Funny]
Too busy washing the feet of his male companions? |
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spite48
said @ 1:15am GMT on 19th Sep
Listen, Mrs. Christ? I'm terribly sorry to trouble you, so soon after your husband's untimely death, and then rebirth, and subsequent disappearance, but you see he promised to attend my wedding and do that wine trick, and I was wondering if anyone else was available, or do you have any wine stocked up? |
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Mrs. Christ
said @ 3:17am GMT on 19th Sep
[Score:1 Funny]
Well, I do know a guy. He doesn't turn water in to wine but in to cold Coors Light. |
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swiggy
said @ 4:14am GMT on 19th Sep
Interesting, but without context to the scrap it's ultimately meaningless to any christ-canon (christnon?) For all we know it could be fanfiction. |
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brat#3
said @ 4:21am GMT on 19th Sep
[Score:2 Insightful]
The whole of the Bible is fanfiction. |
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swiggy
said @ 9:30am GMT on 19th Sep
[Score:1 Funny]
Well yeah, but I'm talking about fanfiction about fanfiction, which we all know is the worst kind. Maybe it's even a self-insert? Is there any more info on Mrs. the christ in this thing? Is she like a half-vampire witch with angel wings and white hair? |
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brat#3
said @ 9:49am GMT on 19th Sep
[Score:1 Funny]
Preliminary reports are Kristen Stewart is already interested in any upcoming treatment of this story. The terrible love triangle between the son of God, his reformed-whore wife, his sexually ambiguous best friend, whips, torture-play, and a society that will not let them be. Tentatively titled 30 Shades of Silver. |
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cb361
said @ 7:55pm GMT on 19th Sep
[Score:1 Funny]
Not, The Story of O Lord? |
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sanepride
said @ 5:29am GMT on 19th Sep
Seems appropriate. |
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cb361
said @ 7:53pm GMT on 19th Sep
conversation during the opening scene of Jesus Christ Superstar: My girlfriend: Wait a minute, is this a musical? I don't like musicals. Me: Wha...? Everyone knows ... You know Jesus Christ Superstar is a musical! I got it for you because you like "I don't know how to love him"! My girlfriend: I thought that was just the theme tune. |
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Bodnoirbabe
said @ 2:46pm GMT on 20th Sep
It's not a musical. It's a Rock Opera. |
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cb361
said @ 10:36pm GMT on 20th Sep
The situation is quite confused enough already, thank you very much. |
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klingon_fodder
said @ 5:37am GMT on 19th Sep
JAY-ZUS!! Yes dear? GET A JOB! QUIT MOOCHING! AND ALL THAT FISH'N'LOAF CRAP MAKES MY BUTT LOOK BIG! Yes dear. [turns water into wine, gets drunk, regrets lack of divorce] |
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edga alunpo
said @ 9:15am GMT on 19th Sep
so as a married man Jesus was just going down to the corner cafe for a joint... and never came back. The rest of the story was made up by his missus so she could save face. |
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GordonGuano
said @ 1:12pm GMT on 19th Sep
[Score:1 Underrated]
I see no fault with Saint Kinison's logic: |
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TM
said @ 4:39pm GMT on 19th Sep
You do know, I hope, that Kinison got his start as a Pentecostal preacher before becoming a comedian. |
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GordonGuano
said @ 6:21pm GMT on 19th Sep
Yup. So if he says Jesus never had a wife, I'm inclined to believe him over some academic. His advice on cunnilingus isn't bad, either. |
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TM
said @ 6:51pm GMT on 19th Sep
I can't find it, Gordon. Tell you what: you post a link, I'll upmod you. Deal? |
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GordonGuano
said @ 8:48pm GMT on 19th Sep
[Score:2]
You wish it, I dish it: Though in my experience, you don't need much more than "O". Some women are clockwise, some are counterclockwise. |
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cb361
said @ 9:57pm GMT on 19th Sep
This guy's talking rubbish. Just learn where the clitoris is for fuck sake, and maybe vary your stoke a little bit. Sometimes precise, sometimes over the wider area. Pay occasional attention to the vagina as well, but above all be patient and don't try and overstimulate all at once. |
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GordonGuano
said @ 10:18pm GMT on 19th Sep
I understand a lot of guys in the States need to be told not to paint, maybe things are different across the pond. |
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citizenQ
said @ 2:49am GMT on 20th Sep
[Score:1 Funny]
"Here lies cb361. He paid occasional attention to the vagina." |
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anagramophone
said @ 7:37am GMT on 20th Sep
...and here i thought you brits were supposed to understand comedy. |
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cb361
said @ 10:35pm GMT on 20th Sep
Cunnilingus is serious business |
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anagramophone
said @ 5:50am GMT on 21st Sep
so is mid-life crisis |
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incpenners
said @ 3:20am GMT on 20th Sep
Not So Fast |
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citizenQ
said @ 3:42am GMT on 20th Sep
Well, the assumption should be that it's horseshit until proven not horseshit. I mean: I won't even *remember* this next year unless it gets supported somehow. |
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piginspace
said @ 6:07pm GMT on 20th Sep
Uh. Papyrus don't lie, my friend. |
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