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Tuesday, 18 September 2012
quote [ SECRET VIDEO: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters
When he doesn't know a camera's rolling, the GOP candidate shows his disdain for half of America. ] Politico had this an artificial this weekend about them that has them reeling.
[politics] [by bbqkink@1:14amGMT] [+10 Interesting] Inside the campaign: How Mitt Romney stumbled http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81280.html There was talk today how they were going to have a midcoarse correction and have a debate on the facts...I almost peed myself laughing. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#49065847 Romney is down to one chance, just one card left in the deck....the first debate. Just doing well would not do it for Romney. Obama who have to self destruct. By doing very well Romney could get another card..the second debate. If Obama does well...by by Mitt. |
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bbqkink
said @ 1:20am GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:5 Underrated]
Why isn't this guy on every TV set in Africa and Egypt and... hell every Set including here in the US? |
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mjteegarden
said @ 2:22am GMT on 18th Sep
"Personal responsibility" is generally not a welcomed message. "Be the better man" is usually disdained. "Consider the source" is unsatisfying. Agreed, Mr. BBQKink. |
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bbqkink
said @ 2:54am GMT on 18th Sep
Americans have a hard time understanding why the Muslims are so pissed of by a few cartoons or a poorly made movie clip. Arabs don't seem to get the concept of free speech. I had a hard time with it myself when it was the wesborough Baptists. The more this is played the more understanding there will be. It may be more important to play this in the US. |
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sanepride
said @ 5:47am GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:1 Insightful]
It's apparently hard to grasp in their culture that a single dickhead could be responsible for making and disseminating the video without the support or approval of the US government- because of how their own governments have operated. |
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Adam
said @ 6:40am GMT on 18th Sep
Two things. First, it's easy to assign collective guilt to an entire country when you have never met anyone on a person-to-person basis from any country outside of your own civilization. Second, yeah, when all forms of mass communication are produced by (or at least sanctioned by) the government, it's inconceivable that someone in another country would be "allowed" to make this kind of video. Of *course* it's the American government's fault, because they let this happen! Rabble! Rabble rabble rabble! |
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sanepride
said @ 6:47am GMT on 18th Sep
It also doesn't help in this case that the offending film maker also made a point of claiming (falsely) that he was an Israeli Jew, furthering another conspiratorial narrative. |
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incpenners
said @ 11:52am GMT on 18th Sep
Why did he do that? |
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Mr. Langosta
said @ 12:03pm GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:3 Funny]
HE LEARNED TROLLING BY WATCHING YOU! He learned it by watching you. |
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cb361
said @ 12:12pm GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:1 Insightful]
No, I think this is a genuine question. 'penners has two online personalities. One is a rounded human-being, and the other is a faceless internet sock-puppet troll. But sometimes he forgets to log into the right account. |
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soulecho
said @ 9:40pm GMT on 18th Sep
Because some people just want to watch the world burn. |
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krimz
said @ 7:48pm GMT on 18th Sep
I've been trying to make this argument to people but of course then they say "But muslims in democratic countries are also protesting against the US because of this video and they should know how free speech works." And how do you respond to that? |
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foobar
said @ 8:03pm GMT on 18th Sep
There's a difference between protest and violence. The same right that allows Mr. Psuedonym to make his mocking video allows others to protest it. |
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krimz
said @ 8:22pm GMT on 18th Sep
Exactly the point I made but it didn't seem to penetrate into their head that there's a difference. Extremely frustrating. |
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cb361
said @ 9:16pm GMT on 18th Sep
"I didn't think of that. I guess they must be right. You really are a shit." |
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Adam
said @ 5:24pm GMT on 19th Sep
Even among the nominal democracies in the Muslim world, free speech is heavily regulated when it comes to religious topics. This is usually framed as laws against insulting religion, but in practice it means "saying anything critical about Islam." This is certainly the case in places like Malaysia, or Indonesia (where there are still periodic anti-Christian pogroms based on rumors that Christians don't 100% believe that Mohammed was the prophet of Allah). |
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Kat
said @ 3:47am GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:1 Underrated]
This is another one of those cases where with every word that man says: he just gets sexier and sexier. |
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drzapato
said @ 7:49pm GMT on 20th Sep
Did anybody else notice how in the video, Mitt Romney pretty much said he was going to give up on the peace process in Palestine just hope for things to get better? Mitt Romney Brings Hope to the Middle East |
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feldenglas
said @ 1:39am GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:2 Funny]
But it's true. |
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damnit
said @ 1:44am GMT on 18th Sep
Not the publicity that the Republicans want right now. |
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bbqkink
said @ 3:03am GMT on 18th Sep
No, No it's not.  |
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bbqkink
said @ 3:04am GMT on 18th Sep
More than one in three Americans lived in households that received Medicaid, food stamps or other means-based government assistance in mid-2010, according to a new report. http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/07/news/economy/government_assistance/index.htm |
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eIfish
said @ 3:00pm GMT on 18th Sep
Unless you can show the degree of overlap, all that proves is that between 26 and 55 percent of non-homeless Americans receive welfare. |
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bbqkink
said @ 3:16pm GMT on 18th Sep
What do you mean by overlap? What are you counting as welfare? What is a subsidy? If it's poor people it's welfare if it's rich people it is called a subsidy. |
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eIfish
said @ 4:14pm GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:1 Insightful]
What do you mean by overlap?  What are you counting as welfare? Every item on your graph. What is a subsidy? I have no idea; I never used that word. |
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bbqkink
said @ 7:24pm GMT on 18th Sep
A subsidy is assistance paid to a business or economic sector. Government Spends More on Corporate Welfare Subsidies than Social Welfare Programs http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending/corporate-welfare/corporate-welfare-statistics-vs-social-welfare-statistics/ Still have no clue about what you mean by overlap unless you are talking about people who get food stamps as well as WIC and maybe, temp assistance at the the same time. And yes if you are eligible for temp assistance you will be eligible for several other programs as well. |
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bbqkink
said @ 8:36pm GMT on 18th Sep
Oh and a lot of those 26% on Medicaid are old people living in nursing homes, you didn't want them to run and get a job too did ya? |
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bbqkink
said @ 8:41pm GMT on 18th Sep
Medicaid: A Program of Last Resort for People Who Need Long-Term Services and Supports Medicaid provides a critical safety net not only for low-income people, but also for formerly middle-income people who have spent their life savings paying for long-term services and supports (LTSS). Most older people will need some LTSS during their lifetimes, and nearly a third of people turning age 65 will deplete their savings and will need to rely on Medicaid assistance. http://www.naela.org/app_themes/public/PDF/Advocacy%20Tab/Federal%20Fiscal%20Policy/AARP669_MedicaidLTSS_FSMay6v1%20508.pdf |
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theolypse
said @ 1:50am GMT on 19th Sep
He's not arguing what you think he is. |
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bbqkink
said @ 3:22pm GMT on 19th Sep
OK, how about you try and explain. |
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theolypse
said @ 9:48pm GMT on 19th Sep
He wants well-presented and clear statistics. This is something one can demand even from people one agrees with. |
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bbqkink
said @ 12:02am GMT on 20th Sep
Ahh.. a bar graph with census data...pretty straight forward. |
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arctan
said @ 11:31pm GMT on 18th Sep
Those aren't just random categories of "welfare", those are the names of specific government funding streams that are all distinct from each other. |
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dangerm00se
said @ 3:11am GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:5 Insightful]
You ever wonder why all the people with land get all the money and with it get to be the first ones able to buy the newly privatized land that is sold to them by governments run by the politicians they financially support? You ever wonder why not everybody has an ivy league education and inheritance to gift to a mormon business school, and thereby the school's operators? I do. And I don't think it was charity, I think it was a lump-sum payment to a business network. I think Joseph Smith recognized the Bible for what it is: a cultural model that is a stable hierarchy and applied that to some dim-witted industrious folk to build him an empire out west. We're talking about a technocratic socialist cult that took over the south, mid and northwest in the 1800s. Joseph Smith created a nation out of nothing with a story and the gullible fools unquestioningly cooperated to build the whole thing with industrial production methods. It was finally the perfect merger of the old testament with the new in a literal eden. That's what the written histories of earth do, they foment cooperation in a universe of competition, first by harsh rule and later in Christ's day by recognition of common benefit, but when one nation is beset upon another, they revert to harsh old testament methods. It's no secret that the bible tells of genocides, even at least one that was ordered by He that is called 'I Am'. We act like what hitler did was a new concept, and not a thing that was commonplace during the time that the hebraic tradition of Abraham was developing. It's a kind of regressive behavior that erupts in men during times of famine and the crash of the business cycle. The nations and companies that exist today are an artifact of the past, and they do us more ill than good, everybody, even the people of the self-professed communist countries can agree that rigid hierarchies are abused by a core elite. So what now? |
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Isosceles Lockâ„¢
said @ 4:57am GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:3 Underrated]
What now?  (At least that is my feeling lately.) |
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drzapato
said @ 7:27pm GMT on 20th Sep
I love seeing Propagandhi lyrics floating around |
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Chrix
said @ 1:54am GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:2]
Didn't the right try to paint Obama as elitist early on in his candidacy & presidency? Or more specifically, the ever-so transparent "uppity"? |
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Gunslinger
said @ 1:57am GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:3 Insightful]
"What He REALLY Thinks" He's pandering to donors. |
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sanepride
said @ 6:03am GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:1 Insightful]
Pandering seems to be all Mitt knows. It is itself what he really thinks. |
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Ankylosaur
said @ 1:59am GMT on 18th Sep
Ronald Reagan speaks from beyond the grave |
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Kyossed
said @ 10:51pm GMT on 19th Sep
Welcome to the Cafe 80's, where it's always morning in America, even in the afternoo- noo- noon! |
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Supreme_Coconut
said @ 2:01am GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:5 Funny]
Get your motherfuckin' troll on |
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Chrix
said @ 3:46am GMT on 19th Sep
I despise Fox & Friends, and all, but watching this guy makes me want to beat him with a bag of hammers. |
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atter_cob
said @ 10:52am GMT on 19th Sep
That was not really a very good troll. He could have done so much more. It looks like he was just an idiot. |
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theolypse
said @ 2:19am GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:1 Insightful]
I think it's really cute that you're this ready to assume he's being honest, simply because you don't like what he's saying. It's charming. You have actually convinced yourself that this man is a baseless sociopath who will say whatever the current crowd wants to hear AND surprisingly honest when speaking to a specific crowd you're not a part of. |
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schatten00777
said @ 2:31am GMT on 18th Sep
Either he's telling the truth and he's an asshole, or he's pretending to be an asshole just to appease the people in the room. Pretty damning either way. |
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theolypse
said @ 2:34am GMT on 18th Sep
Sure. There's no way in hell I'd vote for the parasitic douchesprocket. I just get really, really bored of breathless hysteria in my political newsfeed. |
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Chop-Logik
said @ 3:32am GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:3]
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King of the Hill
said @ 3:03am GMT on 18th Sep
Obama has never done that. Ever. Never! |
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foobar
said @ 5:14am GMT on 18th Sep
Care to cite an instance where he has? |
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brat#3
said @ 5:27am GMT on 18th Sep
Been an asshole for telling the truth? Isn't the party line that he never does? |
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King of the Hill
said @ 2:29am GMT on 19th Sep
You are so in love with Obama that you forgot this Gem... ""It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or anti-pathy to people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." That was at a "private" high dollar fund raiser in San Francisco. I suppose you don't count that though. |
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arctan
said @ 5:43am GMT on 19th Sep
[Score:1 Insightful]
The difference being, of course, that Obama was in fact correct. Although come to think of it Romney was also, broadly speaking, correct, he was just stating a basic truth -- anyone who's poor and vulnerable in this country would be suicidal to vote for Romney -- from the point of view of the bad guys. |
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sanepride
said @ 5:49am GMT on 19th Sep
It's interesting and I guess not surprising that folks on the right have been reprising this gem as somehow as bad as this thing with Romney. The difference is - the sentiment Obama expressed there was in fact a truism. Yes, it was a frank and indelicate statement, and borne out of intellectual elitism (Romney's recent observation was borne out of a different kind of elitism). The other thing is that Obama publicly disavowed his statement and regretted it. And of course he was elected president by a significant margin, in spite of it. Romeny? He's doubling down and standing behind what is essentially a denigrating insult- and even encompasses people who are Republicans. |
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King of the Hill
said @ 1:13pm GMT on 19th Sep
Obama's comments also encompassed democrats - his voting base in PA. Those comments were also considered deeply insulting to those voters. Both Obama and Romney's verbal gaffes have parity in that they both have elements of truth.... and both can be spun into something bigger seeming more insulting than they really were. Those of you on the left will always see Obama's comments as absolute truth if a poor choice in an election and Romney's as some sort of absolute truth. Forget the fact that presidential find raising is all about marketing to your big money donors and little to do with what is truth. |
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bbqkink
said @ 3:32pm GMT on 19th Sep
How about this as a difference in the statements. Obama's guns and Bibles gem came in the primary race and was aimed at his campaign workers telling them even thought these people probably not going to be on our side, we still have to talk to them, at least show up. Romney's statement was made to donors in the general election saying these people are takers and they don't matter. BIG difference. Much like after Obama had won the election (4 years ago) he said to the GOP that he would try and be their president as well no just a Democratic president. Don't think that was the overall message that Mitt was trying to send. |
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sanepride
said @ 4:32pm GMT on 19th Sep
Even if there was some level of equivalence the 'Obama did it first' argument is just irrelevant and dumb, and seems to be the mainstay of what is passing for political debate these days. In Romney's case this is just the latest and greatest in a consistent pattern of deliberate statements- not 'gaffes', that demonstrate a personal experience far removed from regular people. What is truly ironic and sad is that if you look at his actual single political stint as MA Governor, he was indeed moderate and empathetic in policy. But he is adamant in rejecting that record and running as something else entirely. |
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schatten00777
said @ 10:31am GMT on 18th Sep
Oh, I'm sure that he's discussed the voting population in a clinical manner. It would be foolish not to develop a campaign strategy. What I'm more disturbed by is the language Romney uses here. He's not treating the voting population as an objective study - he's treating it with disdain, a people beneath him that he needs to stoop down to win over. And that leaves a bad taste in my mouth, more than strategic politicizing. |
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conception
said @ 3:05am GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:1 Underrated]
Well, I think there's an argument that he'll say whatever to the current crowd, but be honest to this crowd, which is his crowd. His people. |
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sanepride
said @ 5:34am GMT on 18th Sep
Actually I've reached the conclusion that Romney's never being honest, and that he is in fact a 'baseless sociopath' that will pander shamelessly, only to crowds that are specifically useful to his campaign. |
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incpenners
said @ 12:16pm GMT on 18th Sep
How do you feel about Holder and the Justice Department colluding with Media Matters? |
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sanepride
said @ 2:43pm GMT on 18th Sep
What? DOJ communications staff enlisting a media watchdog organization to point out disinformation and lies coming from the right? Shocking! |
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happiest_sadist
said @ 10:14pm GMT on 18th Sep
http://dailycaller.com/footer/about-us/ "Founded in 2010 by Tucker Carlson, a 20-year veteran journalist, and Neil Patel, former chief policy advisor to Vice President Cheney, The Daily Caller is a 24-hour news publication providing its audience with original reporting, thought-provoking commentary and breaking news." This lot is in no position to call anyone else an "advocacy group", nor to call what they do "news" nor "journalism". |
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sanepride
said @ 10:25pm GMT on 18th Sep
I dunno about that. The Daily Caller certainly made news when they dispatched this troll to heckle the president at a press conference: |
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theolypse
said @ 1:51am GMT on 19th Sep
This mirrors my own expectations. It requires fewer assumptions than the alternatives I've been offered. |
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kichijoii
said @ 6:24am GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:1 Funny]
Pretentious dithering in my SE? Well, I never! *monacle drop* |
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ENZ
said @ 2:40am GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:4 Insightful]
live in one of the wealthiest nations on Earth expect not to live like a medieval peasant! Ok, fine, they're not motivated enough to play the right games so they too can manipulate the system to become millionaires. They're content with a simple life as laborers and such. A civilization needs it's food growers, trash pickers, and shelve stockers just as much (arguably more so) than investment bankers and... whatever it was exactly that Romney did. Company flipper? Consultant? I dunno... Yeah, it's reasonable that such people shouldn't expect to have private jets and their own tropical island, but chastising them for being "entitled" for wanting affordable housing and healthcare? Charles Dickens wrote books about this kind of shit. |
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mrcucumber
said @ 5:08pm GMT on 18th Sep
A civilization needs it's food growers, trash pickers, and shelve stockers just as much (arguably more so) than investment bankers... Well, this seems to be the crux of the issue. Romney and his cronies think exactly the opposite. |
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ENZ
said @ 7:41pm GMT on 18th Sep
Indeed. It's the old "if you're not rich, you're just lazy and therefore a waste of life" fallacy. |
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swiggy
said @ 3:37am GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:1 Underrated]
The new scum. |
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sanepride
said @ 5:38am GMT on 18th Sep
From David Brooks in the NY Times: 'Thurston Howell Romney. And Brooks is a conservative columnist! |
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incpenners
said @ 11:55am GMT on 18th Sep
And Brooks is a conservative columnist! Yes, and in your Orwellian universe, I'm really a liberal. |
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sanepride
said @ 3:06pm GMT on 18th Sep
Oh I'm fully aware that Brooks is reasonable and moderate, which in your universe of uncompromising extremism, makes him a RINO. It's too late for this election cycle, but one day soon the last bedraggled survivors of the Republican party will realize it may not have been such a great idea to alienate everyone except cranky old hetero white guys who argue with chairs. |
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ComposerNate
said @ 8:02pm GMT on 18th Sep
All but incpenners chose to use conservative, not equating or confusing it with Republican. |
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happiest_sadist
said @ 10:16pm GMT on 18th Sep
s/your/our s/liberal/neoliberal ftfy |
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ComposerNate
said @ 12:46pm GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:1 Informative]
I'm going to guess someone else wrote the headline, it being way out of Brooks normal vocabulary, manner, as an NPR contributor; he's a polite and reasonable conservative. |
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eIfish
said @ 3:52pm GMT on 18th Sep
It's standard practice for the subeditors to write the headlines. |
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bruceski
said @ 4:36pm GMT on 18th Sep
I watch the guy weekly on the Newshour. He's gotten awards for how polite and reasonable he is. |
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sanepride
said @ 5:28pm GMT on 18th Sep
Which is why current mainstream Republicans are so dismissive or even disdainful of him. Politeness and reason have no place in their current mindset. |
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herra turpa
said @ 5:52am GMT on 18th Sep
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spazm
said @ 11:27am GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:-1 Interesting]
Seriously, what the hell is it with this Gangnam Style? The music is nowhere original, the dancing is... well... whatever it is... I just don't get it! Am I getting old? Is that it? All the kids here seem to go nuts over it, and to me it seems like the same thing that's been on the radio the last few years. HALP! |
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jhvh1
said @ 6:32pm GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:-1]
"Get off my lawn!!" |
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sanepride
said @ 7:04pm GMT on 18th Sep
I think part of the charm of the video is that Psy looks more like someone who would be yelling 'get off my lawn!' than someone who would have it yelled at them. |
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spite48
said @ 8:03pm GMT on 18th Sep
The self-aware silliness is amusing. |
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kishi
said @ 7:28am GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:1 Insightful]
What I'm taking away from this is that Mitt really underestimates the racism that drives a lot of poor White trash. |
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Rammek
said @ 1:53pm GMT on 18th Sep
I truly believe that if Obama loses it'll strictly be due to the racist vote against him. |
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sanepride
said @ 2:59pm GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:1 Insightful]
This will be a factor, but with the current economic numbers really Obama has no business leading Romney in the polls. If Obama wins, which seems likely at this moment, it will be strictly due to Romney being an elitist jerk. |
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kishi
said @ 5:43pm GMT on 18th Sep
I'd like to think that if Obama wins, it'll be because Romney's campaign has largely been "I have a plan... and I'll tell you what it is if you elect me." But many Americans don't seem to care much about that. |
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sanepride
said @ 7:32pm GMT on 18th Sep
That'll be a factor as well, but mostly it'll be because Romney is largely regarded as unempathetic, unlikable, and untrustworthy by Democrats, independents, and Republicans alike. Being so secretive on his policies and his personal finances is certainly part of that, along with the fact that he's running on his experience as a competent business leader, and he can't even run a competent campaign. |
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chold_numa
said @ 9:42pm GMT on 18th Sep
He's like a Cylon. Unempathetic, unlikable, untrustworthy. And he has a plan. |
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sanepride
said @ 10:20pm GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:1 Underrated]
Pretty much, except I doubt he really has a plan. |
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bbqkink
said @ 6:58pm GMT on 18th Sep
Ok the whole story is starting to fill in and it is actually a good story. These film clips of Romney the China one and the 47% one are all part of the same video. Now get this taken by the grandson of Jimmy Carter . It seams James Carter,a self-described opposition researcher, took exception at some of the things Mitt was saying about grandpa and took his vise camera to a Romney event. not all of it is out yet. six more here http://www.youtube.com/channel/UChMTCCC6dzR-VkgTDWo7H_A/videos?flow=grid&view=0 Carter grandson proud of Romney leak role http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fda75400-01ad-11e2-8aaa-00144feabdc0.html#axzz26qc4Ch4v Mitt Romney Video: Barack Obama Voters 'Dependent On Government' (UPDATED) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/17/mitt-romney-video_n_1829455.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012 |
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bbqkink
said @ 7:17pm GMT on 18th Sep
Visit NBCNews.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy |
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val
said @ 7:11pm GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:1 Insightful]
Elitist? Well, he may or may not be. But he's a capitalist, and this is a very capitalist appeal to all those little people in the working class who think they're capitalists, too, and can join that elite. |
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bbqkink
said @ 10:00pm GMT on 18th Sep
Except this wasn't a meeting at Bain capitol. This was a political group assembled to donate cash to keep their little club exclusive. |
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kishi
said @ 10:27pm GMT on 18th Sep
[Score:1 Underrated]
I find it interesting that it was a $50k a plate fundraiser- roughly the average median annual income for a US household. And these people are going to drop that much on an afternoon with someone who might be president. Fuck, that must be nice. |
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val
said @ 4:04am GMT on 19th Sep
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King of the Hill
said @ 1:01pm GMT on 19th Sep
Obama has those $50k a plate dinners too. Part of the problem with politics eh? When the average citizen can't buy access to the president... or his challenger. |
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val
said @ 4:02am GMT on 19th Sep
Not all Republican donors are Bain Capital executives, but all Bain Capital executives are Republican donors. Just a hunch. |
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King of the Hill
said @ 1:00pm GMT on 19th Sep
Actually, there were some interviews with other Bain executives about Romney and some are indeed democrats and democrat donors. Google it. |
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King of the Hill
said @ 1:03pm GMT on 19th Sep
Just one... for example. |
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willrogers
said @ 12:34am GMT on 20th Sep
I'm not disputing what you're saying, but that doesn't say much, because there are plenty of very conservative Democrats who are basically in line with the GOP on most issues but won't switch parties due to tribalism. Just because they are donors to the Democratic Party doesn't really tell us anything about the actual political beliefs and philosophies of these hypothetical Bain Capital executives. |
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bbqkink
said @ 9:14pm GMT on 18th Sep
Oh and top of it being an Elitist thing to say, it is politically just plain stupid he is attacking his base. Mitt Romney will probably get 95 electoral votes from ‘moocher’ states. Obama will probably get 5. If they ever figure it out he could be in trouble. Three of the states with the lowest number of non-filers are solidly conservative: Alaska, North Dakota and Wyoming. Two, New Hampshire and Virginia, are swing states. All the rest are solidly Democratic, including half of New England. All told, Obama gets 50 electoral votes from the “maker” states to Romney’s 9 — 17 are tossups — while Romney gets 96 electoral votes from the “taker” states to Obama’s 5, with 29 as tossups. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/18/mitt-romney-will-probably-get-95-electoral-votes-from-moocher-states-obama-will-probably-get-5/?wprss=rss_ezra-klein |
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bbqkink
said @ 10:29pm GMT on 18th Sep
Here is Romney's attempt to go on Fox and fix this. Romney defends donor comment, says more jobs will mean more paying taxes "Frankly, we have two very different views about America," Romney said. "The president's view is one of a larger government." Romney also referenced a web video that emerged Tuesday purportedly showing Obama in 1998 saying he likes "redistribution." "I disagree," Romney said. "I think a society based upon a government-centered nation where government plays a larger and larger role, redistributes money, that's the wrong course for America. ... The right course for America is to create growth, create wealth." Romney responded to claims that he had effectively written off half the population with his fundraiser remarks. Romney said "we go after every group we can to get votes" and suggested his policies would help even those who might not support him. But he continued to say that those who are not paying income tax probably won't be attracted to his message of lowering the tax rates. "And those that are dependent upon government and those that think government's job is to redistribute, I'm not going to get them," he said. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/18/romney-sticks-by-victims-comments-but-calls-them-off-cuff/#ixzz26rUor3HP Oh that is what he ment..lmfao Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/18/romney-sticks-by-victims-comments-but-calls-them-off-cuff/#ixzz26rU7Iflb |
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bbqkink
said @ 10:49pm GMT on 18th Sep
"Frankly, we have two very different views about America," Romney said. Damn straight! |
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klingon_fodder
said @ 5:44am GMT on 19th Sep
Willard is so 20th-century. He assumes that privacy exists, that recording devices don't exist, that he can repeatedly lie without consequence. Yawn. |
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bbqkink
said @ 7:45pm GMT on 19th Sep
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It may change turnout.