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Wednesday, 20 June 2012
quote [ “I don’t think the Bush administration would want to see these released, because they paint a picture of the CIA knowing something would happen before 9/11, but they didn’t get the institutional support they needed,” says Barbara Elias-Sanborn, the NSA fellow who edited the materials. ]
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[politics] [by lilmookieesquire@6:31pmGMT] [+7 Interesting] Loosely related Article: Independents and moderates agree: GOP deliberately sabotaging Obama’s jobs policies |
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donnie
said @ 7:11pm GMT on 20th Jun
[Score:-1 Troll]
...ahem |
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Jewbacchus
said @ 12:19am GMT on 21st Jun
You know what I'm gonna say. |
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sanepride
said @ 7:25pm GMT on 20th Jun
Doesn't seem like much really new here, just heavily redacted affirmations of inaction and ineptitude that had already been revealed. I can't help but wonder thought if the aggressiveness of the Obama drone program isn't a direct reaction to the knowledge of these failures. |
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skoob666
said @ 10:07pm GMT on 20th Jun
It almost has to be. But what really pisses me off is it's cheap and lazy. A fucking drone didn't get Osama, actual groundwork and a real raid with real soldiers is what got him. We've dumped trillions of dollars into this war now and it's still the 'old-fashioned' way of tracking people down and shooting them in the face that works best. |
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sanepride
said @ 11:03pm GMT on 20th Jun
The military wanted to take out Osama with a drone or missile strike, they ended up using boots on the ground because they wanted to be absolutely sure they got him and bring home a body. Is it cheap and lazy using drones? It's certainly expedient. I think the main advantage is that it's a lot more sanitized. You can project deadly force a lot more easily and without risk to soldiers - and this also makes for political expediency. And of course there's a lot less accountability. Civilian deaths, accidents and atrocities will occur in war either way. It's a lot easier to rationalize it when it's not done by live soldiers. |
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Didel
said @ 7:30pm GMT on 20th Jun
[Score:4]
First off, this is not the NSA, the NSA is the National Security Agency, this is the National Security Archive. One is a huge branch of the US Security apparatus, the other is a fairly small non-profit/academic institute designed for openness of governments. I did a double take when I saw that NSA documents were supposedly released, only to realize that this was just a FOIA aout Bin Laden, quite interesting none the less, but not the same as actual NSA documents being released. Secondly, the author/editor of this report says, "oh, the CIA due to the Bush administration wouldn't use their drones for anything other than surveillance." As if even when they supposedly spotted Bin Laden in 1999, 2000, early 2001, they could have done anything about it with their drones. The US did not have armed predator drones in service until after 9/11. And in order to make sure that they had killed Bin Laden, they would have pretty much required a mission like the one we did use to kill Bin Laden, that way we can actually make sure it was Bin Laden. Because from 20,000 feet up, old guys with a beard and wearing tribal dress all look alike. Though this is interesting in a new perspective at how the CIA and administration screwed the pooch. But not killing Bin Laden with an armed drone (which didn't exist) isn't one of those screw ups. |
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cb361
said @ 8:35pm GMT on 20th Jun
[Score:3 Funny]
From 20,000 feet, Osama Bin Laden looks very much like a wedding. |
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DuncmanG
said @ 9:22pm GMT on 20th Jun
Also true from .0000002 feet. |
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sanepride
said @ 8:56pm GMT on 20th Jun
Also of course it needs to be fairly noted that the Bush administration didn't begin until January 2001. So while there were plenty of alarming warnings and memos between then and September 11, 2001- anything prior would have been the Clinton administration. |
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willrogers
said @ 10:13pm GMT on 20th Jun
True, but the most important and retrospectively damning evidence came during the Bush Administration, such as reports from flight instructors, local law enforcement, and FBI agents that the men who would eventually be the 9/11 hijackers were trying to attend flight schools around the country but were interested only in how to fly an airplane mid-air, explicitly expressing disinterest in how to successfully takeoff and land. That said, it's unfair and disingenuous to just blame the Bush Administration for systemic problems in national security agencies that had been growing and festering for decades. Pretty much every administration before and including Bush's for the past 30 years is partly responsible for not doing anything about the rivalry and lack of communication between agencies like the FBI and CIA, which were crucial in missing and/or mishandling important evidence that might have prevented the 9/11 attacks. |
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arrowhen
said @ 8:21pm GMT on 20th Jun
[Score:5 Funny]
9/11 was born in Kenya on a grassy knoll that causes autism. WAKE UP, SHEEPLE! |
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cb361
said @ 8:38pm GMT on 20th Jun
[Score:1 WTF]
The Gates Foundation is funding Malaria treatment in Africa as part of a plan to wipe out a large part of the human race and reduce overpopulation. I really wish that I hadn't been told that in utter seriousness by someone I care for. |
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sanepride
said @ 8:52pm GMT on 20th Jun
'care for' in the sense of having strong feelings for, or in the sense of spoon-feeding and changing their diapers? |
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cb361
said @ 9:00pm GMT on 20th Jun
The former. The latter probably comes later. |
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sanepride
said @ 9:20pm GMT on 20th Jun
That's too bad. I'm assuming it's a family member. I'd hate to think you'd be caring for someone so, um, misguided by choice. |
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cb361
said @ 9:21pm GMT on 20th Jun
A quick google makes me sad. Do you get it? They are killing us! They are deciding who lives and who dies! They are sterilizing women and children who are at the prime of child rearing ages. Making the elderly sick so they die faster. I should point out the person who told me this is most definitely not mentally ill, although dealing with proper mental illness has made me much less sympathetic. Because Hell, for all I know, it might all be true. But this kind of stuff isn't based on hard evidence, it's based on a fundamental view of how the world works. And you can't argue with the fundamental building blocks that make up a psyche any more than you can argue with mental illness. |
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flat_michael
said @ 11:01pm GMT on 20th Jun
I really hope you laughed in his/her face. Because fuck. |
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Seneki69
said @ 1:13am GMT on 21st Jun
[Score:2]
Are they an Apple fan? |
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feldenglas
said @ 11:48pm GMT on 20th Jun
Stole this, posted it uncredited to my facebook wall. Amazing |
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atter_cob
said @ 10:51pm GMT on 20th Jun
[Score:1 Good]
This is not "The NSA" this is some goofy little organization that has the initials NSA. Maybe I'll start an organization called "Fucking Butt-headded Idiots" and we can call ourselves the FBI. Then we can do random shit and people will write articles like "FBI releases papers showing that GW Bush would frequently fuck sheep". |
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lilmookieesquire
said @ 12:56am GMT on 21st Jun
I copy and pasted the article title, but just for you I altered it. |
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sanepride
said @ 2:35am GMT on 21st Jun
This isn't the NSA you're looking for... |
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lilmookieesquire
said @ 6:16am GMT on 21st Jun
This is not the NSA I am looking for. Move along. |
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papango
said @ 9:05am GMT on 21st Jun
You're right. This has nothing to do with the Nebraska Soybean Association. |