Saturday, 28 January 2012

Girl eats nothing but chicken nuggets for 15 years inexpicably struck with malnutrition.

quote [ Doctors found that her 15-year ‘chronic chicken nugget addiction’ has left her with anemia and inflamed veins on her tongue. So deficient was her body in vitamins and nutrients that she had to be injected with them. ]

The important thing is not her diet or her family's parenting methods. Would you hit it?

I work with autistic kids. I've mentioned before that I am a behavior analyst. One of the things I work with is feeding disorders. Now, part of the issue is not knowing how to manipulate one's mouth to redistribute food you've chewed, knowing when to swallow, etc. But part of it is just pickiness. Many kids are very rigid and selective, only liking certain colors, flavors, or textures of foods. Meals become highly ritualized---I wave my hand five times, pick up my spoon, lick it twice, scoop up food---and most will only eat at a certain time in a certain place, like home for dinner. No breakfast, no lunch at school, just one meal and if it isn't at home, skip it. One client was so adverse to eating different foods he would make himself vomit repeatedly until his mom was so disgusted or scared she took the food away and gave him something else.

Now I'm not calling this girl autistic. Not in the least. But I want to make a point: all of my old feeding clients are happy, healthy eaters who eat fruits and vegetables daily and eat both at home and at school. They've gone from 2-10 percentile in growth for their age to at pace or better with their peers. A simple program, often just based on not giving in no matter how bad the tantruming got, to having a small reward or dessert in the beginning to 'work' for, got most of these kids eating.

If the mom had one fucking ounce of parenting or common sense, that kid would have had a healthy diet growing up, and would have one today. As it stands, she's going to be in trouble for a long while. It really doesn't sound like she wants to change her diet yet, despite the scare. There are no words for the disgust I feel, reading this.
[by dienesstompwalker@12:29amGMT] [+10 WTF]

Comments

danshyu said @ 12:33am GMT on 28th Jan
When you're hooked on something. What's stopping you from eating other things to go with it? Or from taking nutrional supplements?
Vernes said @ 12:47pm GMT on 28th Jan
like an after dinner mint?

it's like... wafer thin!
xiokin said @ 12:40am GMT on 28th Jan
I wonder if hiding vitamins in the chicken nugget themselves would have worked. I know it works for dogs occasionally, so it is a possibility.
arrowhen said @ 1:52am GMT on 28th Jan [Score:5 Funny]
Why would you hide dogs inside of chicken nuggets?
rndmnmbr said @ 2:19am GMT on 28th Jan
How else are you going to get people to eat them?
aomal said @ 2:55am GMT on 28th Jan
Make 'em HOTdogs!, ba da BOOM, be here all night.
structured_spirits said @ 2:54am GMT on 28th Jan
That's a question you should be asking McDonalds.
spite48 said @ 12:50am GMT on 28th Jan
The amazing part of this story - if true - is that she didn't have more serious problems earlier.

I doubt that it is true that she had nothing else for 15 years. She says that she has never had fresh fruits or vegetables. But has she honestly had nothing else?
v21 said @ 12:53am GMT on 28th Jan [Score:5 Insightful]
I ... would look outside to check if the Daily Mail told me the sky was blue.
Dioxin said @ 1:03am GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Interesting]
They slip the occasional lie in there just to confuse you. I just checked and the sky is black.
sua_sponte said @ 1:00am GMT on 28th Jan
If eating nothing but chicken nuggets turns English girls into redheaded hotties, I say bring on the nuggets.
CapnSilver said @ 6:07am GMT on 28th Jan
Yeah if 17 year olds with monstrous bags under her eyes are your thing.
chold_numa said @ 1:10pm GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Insightful]
Depends where the bags are located.
mrcucumber said @ 2:15pm GMT on 28th Jan
and what's in 'em.
Bodnoirbabe said @ 2:08am GMT on 29th Jan
Sand, from what I hear.
Dioxin said @ 1:02am GMT on 28th Jan
With a bag of chicken nuggets.
papango said @ 1:09am GMT on 28th Jan
It's actually not that hard to become seriously anaemic even if you have a good diet, if you're predisposed to it. My family has problems with it and I'm supposed to take supplements every day. But I ran out and stopped thinking about for a while and a few weeks later I started to get short of breath when I was walking to the shops or up stairs. Thinking I was just out of shape (I am a bit of a land whale at the moment) I started walking and taking the stairs more, but that just made it worse. I mentioned it to my doctor and she gave me one of those finger prick tests and I my iron count was way way down. Even though I eat a home cooked dinner almost every night (Wednesday is take-out) and a good salad and sandwich lunch at work. I need the supplements.
rndmnmbr said @ 2:21am GMT on 28th Jan
A partial help is to cook some foods in cast iron. There will be enough iron leaching out of the cooking vessel that it will help with anemia - not as much as an iron supplement, but enough to keep you relatively healthy.
mechanical contrivance said @ 3:48am GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Funny]
I guess I should stop cooking in lead pots.
hippoh said @ 7:34am GMT on 28th Jan
Ironic considering your username
papango said @ 7:37am GMT on 28th Jan
That smacks of effort. I think I'll just keep taking the supplements.
pleaides said @ 8:24am GMT on 28th Jan
Cleaning iron pots IS the very devil of a job.
sacrelicious said @ 8:05pm GMT on 29th Jan
use the scald, scrape pat and simmer method: run hot water from the tap into the pan. scrape all the bits of food out of it with either a spatula or a small handheld scraper made for the task (and available at many kitchen supply stores). pour it out and pat it dry with a paper towel or a rag. set it on a burner at low heat for a few minutes until it's completely dry. NEVER use soap.

except for the fact that it can't be cleaned with the rest of your dishes, using that method actually makes it amongst the easier pieces of cookware to clean.
eIfish said @ 8:01pm GMT on 30th Jan
Yeah, that's way easier than the 'put in dishwasher', 'run dishwasher', 'take out of dishwasher', 'put in cupboard' method...
eIfish said @ 1:46pm GMT on 29th Jan
How about cornflakes?

They have powdered iron in them to keep you healthy.
papango said @ 6:21am GMT on 31st Jan
It's not good having them with milk, though. It interferes with iron absorption.
eIfish said @ 2:49pm GMT on 31st Jan
Just what I need, another pretext to eat Squares...
drd69 said @ 1:24am GMT on 28th Jan

drd69 said @ 1:32am GMT on 28th Jan [Score:-1 Overrated]

sherlock said @ 2:24am GMT on 28th Jan
The Young Turks consistently suck, and I'm also sick of this misinformation. The claim is often made that Chicken McNuggets are mechanically separated meat, and Jamie Oliver made things worse when he outright lied to children about how the nuggets are made. Yes Chicken McNuggets are disgusting. But are they mechanically separated meat? No. Not anymore at least:

http://www.snopes.com/food/prepare/msm.asp
sherlock said @ 2:34am GMT on 28th Jan
Ok, well towards the end of the video TYT do say that Chicken McNuggets no longer use mechanically separated meat, but they don't seem to have a problem claiming MSM contains "eyeballs". No, it contains meat. Meat that was mechanically separated to get more off the bone than would otherwise be possible.
cb361 said @ 10:10am GMT on 28th Jan
Not my field, but even if the consensus is that McDonalds doesn't use mechanically separated meat in McNuggets, that doesn't mean that most generic Nuggets of the sort used in school kitchens aren't still made from pink goo.
Shep said @ 9:44pm GMT on 28th Jan
The Jamie Oliver video in the link makes me sad. What kind of asshole tells kids the leftover chicken carcass is gross? That's what you use to make chicken stock!
sacrelicious said @ 10:07pm GMT on 28th Jan
it's the "eww, gross!" effect, and it's often completely irrational. the same people who admire the native americans for "using every part of the animal" will turn around and use the fact that some sausages contain organ meat and such as a rational that "sausage is gross!"

Jamie's "experiment" was entirely unscientific, completely irrational, and advocates waste.
GordonGuano said @ 11:15pm GMT on 28th Jan
Not to mention thighs are way tastier and juicier than breasts.
mechanical contrivance said @ 2:56am GMT on 29th Jan
Thighs are nice, but I'll take a good pair of breasts any day.
mrklipp said @ 2:58pm GMT on 29th Jan
It's an issue of taste in this case.

One person's tastier is another person's gamier.
mechanical contrivance said @ 1:34am GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Underrated]
Baron said @ 4:34am GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Underrated]
inconceivable


drd69 said @ 1:35am GMT on 28th Jan [Score:-1 Troll]

A more, ahem, technical explanation on how they make nuggets.

LoC said @ 1:42am GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Informative]
McDonalds Chicken nuggets specifically have been made out of 100% white chicken meat since 2003. Before that it was mechanically separated, but it never looked like that.


http://www.snopes.com/food/prepare/msm.asp
structured_spirits said @ 3:03am GMT on 28th Jan
Meh I don't see what the big deal is, ultimately all meat comes from the slaughterhouse. If you've ever seen a chicken processing plant, or a chicken refinery as I like to call it, you'll know that they're filthy and foul-smelling, because chickens are filthy foul-smelling creatures. Anyway, Mcnuggets may not be good for you, but they taste fine, even when they were mechanically separated, and generally it was a process that produces safe-to-eat food.
GordonGuano said @ 3:39am GMT on 28th Jan
I'm pretty sure there is heroin in the Sweet and Sour sauce.
sherlock said @ 6:07am GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Funny]
Seriously. And wouldn't the Native Americans be proud that we weren't wasting precious meat?
ComposerNate said @ 8:30am GMT on 28th Jan
Anyone caged and brutalized from birth to gruesome death will appear filthy and foul-smelling.



More so if their enslavement and neglect was multi-generational.
KingPellinore said @ 3:19pm GMT on 28th Jan
Don't belittle slavery by applying the term to chickens. They're fucking chickens.
spite48 said @ 4:12pm GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Informative]
Of course chickens are fucking chickens, who do you expect to fuck them? Ducks?
ComposerNate said @ 4:18pm GMT on 28th Jan
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/enslavement

Yes, it's more person-centric a word than I was aware, unfortunately. I'm having trouble coming up with an adequate word that has all of the brutal and wholly possessive connotations of slavery but for non-human animals, please forgive.
GordonGuano said @ 5:42pm GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Insightful]
I respect your views on vegetarianism and how animals should be treated, and largely sympathize. I suspect that if you spent time around a Dominique rooster as a small child, your views would not have the same urgency. See, when you're 3, that rooster is as tall as you are. And when he charges you and spreads his wings, he's suddenly 3 times wider. And it doesn't matter that he's lived in climate-controlled free range harem all his life, he will peck and scratch you in the face. Because chickens are evil. Hitler/Satan/Stalin evil.

Cows are harder to make a case for eating, other than being delicious.
ComposerNate said @ 7:56pm GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Insightful]
You are referring to a rooster protecting itself and possibly its kind, striking out against captors before his inevitable death at their hands. A case could be made for his heroism.

You escaped his futile attempts and went about your life, but what happened to him and why? If you were in his position, what would you have done differently, seeing the harmless women you wish to protect handled roughly, their children stolen away, until they themselves are one-by-one slaughtered? Who is the evil one?
spite48 said @ 8:38pm GMT on 28th Jan
You are a noble person, but I think you are over-anthropomorphizing the cock. The rooster isn't aware of complex concepts like captivity, child abduction, or heroism.
ComposerNate said @ 9:08pm GMT on 28th Jan
Why not? And what do you believe are instead its motivations?
Study: Chickens Think About Future

July 14, 2005 — Chickens do not just live in the present, but can anticipate the future and demonstrate self-control, something previously attributed only to humans and other primates, according to a recent study.

The finding suggests that domestic fowl, Gallus gallus domesticus, are intelligent creatures that might worry.

"An animal with no awareness of 'later' may not be able to predict the end of an unpleasant experience, such as pain, rendering it (the pain) all-encompassing," said Siobhan Abeyesinghe, lead author of the study.

"On the other hand, an animal that can anticipate an event might benefit from cues to aid prediction, but may also be capable of expectations rendering it vulnerable to thwarting, frustration and pre-emptive anxiety."

She added, "The types of mental ability the animal possesses therefore dictate how they should best be managed and what we might be able to do to minimize psychological stress."


Prior studies have found that neuron organization in chicken brains is highly structured and suggests that, like humans, chickens evolved an impressive level of intelligence to help improve their survival.
http://animal.discovery.com/news/briefs/20050711/chicken.html
papango said @ 9:57pm GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Insightful]
I agree with spite. You're goals are good but this argument is not a good one. Because if we hold animals to human morality then some will fall way way short (the eating of the young, etc). They don't have to be like us to be worthy of respect. They're animals, and that's enough. They don't have to fit with our ideas of 'good'.
ComposerNate said @ 10:41pm GMT on 28th Jan
And where had I discussed animal morality? When I pointed towards their striking out in self and group-preservation?

Chickens have displayed intelligence beyond given credit here, and beyond the mistreatment countless have suffered at the hands of humans. Were chickens to be as moral as humans, they would breed, cage and slaughter our race thoughtlessly at their pleasure, in the count of billions per year.
KingPellinore said @ 11:46pm GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Funny]
I'd accuse you of being on a high horse, but you obviously wouldn't subject a horse to that kind of slavery.
KingPellinore said @ 12:39am GMT on 29th Jan
For what it's worth, I mean that very good naturedly.
papango said @ 12:00am GMT on 29th Jan
The idea that the rooster is protecting the women-folk is very much human morality. Why can't the rooster just be a dick? Does it have to be a 'good' animal before people should respect it? Why does the animal have to meet our standards of morality?
ComposerNate said @ 12:53am GMT on 29th Jan
No, most vertebrates will protect their own, and it is only considered human morality because we are also vertebrates. I assigned no morality to it, only to show that aggression as a natural response to threat. You alone judged it as moral and good. GordonGuana claimed dick animals deserved no mercy or respect, so ask him why.


It is a rooster's instincts to protect its hens from harmful predators that may invade the chicken pen and threaten your livestock. A rooster will protect his flock the instance he thinks that one of its members is being harmed. Also, when one of his hens is nesting on their eggs, the rooster will be in full alert and protect her and the eggs from nearby predators. This goes for us humans too. It best not to let a rooster see you disturbing the hen or he will attack you.
http://www.mybackyardchickenfarm.com/roosters.html

A flock's societal interactions are every bit as diverse as ours. The birds feel, care, protect, watch, learn, remember and hurt. They don't wonder, worry, think or guess. They don't have as large a brain as we do, and they don't hide their emotions well. They act on them outwardly and immediately. They show their emotions on the surface constantly. They don't have "Should I?" moments like we do. They act, reassess, act and reassess. They play our their lives rather than mulling about them.
http://shilala.homestead.com/roosters.html


Roosters can be very aggressive, and so many people choose not to have a rooster within the flock. But there are some good points to keeping a rooster.

1. A rooster will warn the flock of any danger and protect them from predators.
2. He will break-up arguments between hens.
3. He will make sure the food is shared out amongst his hens, often letting them feed, before himself.
4. He will protect hens while nesting.
http://hannzach.hubpages.com/hub/Roosters-and-the-Hen-Pecking-Order
GordonGuano said @ 2:33am GMT on 29th Jan
Actually, I am probably more guilty of anthropomorphizing and assigning human values, because I judge certain chicken behaviors (cannibalism, shitloads of violent rape) negatively. And I certainly don't think animals are unworthy of dignity or respect (not that I was sorry to see that Dominique cock go in the oven); it's just that my reverence occurs when they're on the end of the fork. And I don't imagine that were the roles reversed, a chicken would have any remorse. So, worst case scenario, I am no more morally evolved than a species that protects its young, socializes, and worries about the future. Your threshold is higher, and I respect that.

I think factory farming (and monoculture grains, but that's another story) is monstrous and that we could all stand to eat less meat, and no meat is certainly an option (vegans can still go get fucked). When vat-grown protein and photosynthetic grafts become options, I will gladly sign on.

ComposerNate said @ 7:14am GMT on 29th Jan [Score:1 Interesting]
Were in vitro meat heavily funded by a state, it could be promoted politically foremost as reducing pollution and greenhouse gases, but also for sustaining food supplies, convenience, variety, and maybe slip in a bit of ethics. Then there's the valuable companion research into medical grafting.

So far it's just a couple curious European University departments and NASA quietly doing research, with only PETA putting up bulk funding. Unless I'm missing something, China should be loudly shoveling cash into production research within the next three years.


Winston Churchill said in the 1930s, "Fifty years hence, we shall escape the absurdity of growing a whole chicken in order to eat the breast or wing, by growing these parts separately under a suitable medium."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_meat
ComposerNate said @ 1:06pm GMT on 29th Jan
foobar said @ 8:40am GMT on 31st Jan
PETA hasn't put up any funding (from what I understand). They've put up a wholly ineffective bounty which can only be claimed if the research product is commercially viable.
eIfish said @ 2:53pm GMT on 31st Jan
I don't recall DARPA or the X-Prize Foundation getting this kind of feathering, and their prizes work in exactly the same way.
foobar said @ 7:41pm GMT on 31st Jan
No, they don't. The whole point of those sort of prizes is to encourage something that isn't immediately commercially viable.
phouka1916 said @ 4:40am GMT on 29th Jan [Score:3 Funny]
We've got 2 roosters in our coop, the older one is an ass to everyone in the house but me. About once every 3 or 4 months he will take a run at me, it ends with me chasing him around the yard, and he's content to be the second in command for a few more months. He does a fantastic job keeping the hens safe though, alert for hawks and other critters who would do them harm. We have a neighbor with a pack of chihuahuas that they let roam loose, they don't bother us any more. They went after some of the hens and the rooster tore into them, at one point he had a little dog in each talon like the were brown, spazzy, yelping rollerskates, and was driving them into their fellows so he could peck the little fuckers, he didn't kill any but he hurt a few pretty badly.
GordonGuano said @ 4:48am GMT on 29th Jan [Score:1 Underrated]
I realize it makes me a terrible person, but the image of horrible things happening to chihuahuas (as if being born a chihuahua wasn't bad enough) never fails to amuse.
Jewbacchus said @ 2:20pm GMT on 29th Jan
That is a bad ass rooster.
KingPellinore said @ 7:34pm GMT on 29th Jan [Score:1 Funny]
So, this farmer has this really old rooster he's looking to replace. He buys a new rooster and puts it in the coop with the chickens. This bew, young rooster is set on being the alpha of the group, so he starts talking trash to the old rooster. The old rooster says,

"listen young'un. I've been king of this coop for twenty years. If you think you can just waltz in here and take that from me, you got another thing coming. Tell you what. First one to win a race around the barn gets the coop."

"You're on, old bird!" Says the young rooster.

"Hold up, now, my legs ain't what they used to be." Says the old rooster. You gotta give me a head start. S'only fair."

"Ok, old timer. You can get halfway 'round the barn before I start. I'll still whip your ass!"

So, the two roosters line up at one corner of the barn. The old rooster takes off. Once he's halfway around, the young rooster takes off like a shot. Zoom! Just as he's about to.overtake the old rooster, the farmer bounds out of his house and shoots the young rooster dead as a doornail.

"Dadgummit!" Says the farmer. "That's the 4th gay rooster I've had to shoot this month!"
sacrelicious said @ 5:43pm GMT on 28th Jan [Score:2 Funny]
not to Godwin here, but you know who else equated the atrocities man commits against his fellow man to meat consumption?

Morrissey.
foobar said @ 8:38am GMT on 31st Jan
Food.
Dioxin said @ 1:08am GMT on 29th Jan
I think chickens can be delicious but eating the meat of one that's been allowed to stew in feces for its entire life is fucking gross.
tiemy said @ 4:45am GMT on 28th Jan
true or not, mcd's chicken nuggets are f'ing gross. maybe if this girl was hooked on wendy's nuggets id give her some respect
ebsyndrome said @ 2:15am GMT on 28th Jan
she looks way too happy posing for an article that makes her look like a fucking moron.
anagramophone said @ 2:38am GMT on 28th Jan
i twigged it's a dailymail article solely from the pics
mechanical contrivance said @ 3:50am GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Underrated]
If she's a moron, she's happy to be in an article.
rndmnmbr said @ 2:36am GMT on 28th Jan [Score:5 Underrated]
I deal with a whole family of picky eaters, and nothing pisses me off more. So I have to avoid tasty and interesting food because you don't know what it is and automatically assume you're not going to like it? Fuck you. Don't come to my house and bitch about my cooking.

My grandfather was raised on meat and potatoes, and to his dying day would bitch if there wasn't a solid piece of meat and potatoes with every meal. God forbid it was a vegetarian meal. One of my uncles will only eat food that his wife cooked, and that only because he made her learn the exact way her mother-in-law cooked everything. If it isn't something his mother cooked made in exactly the same way, he won't touch it.

My brother and I grew up in a poor household, eating the exact same (cheap) menu ever week until we left home, with no added spices or flavor because they made my mother's hiatal hernia act up. He's not a complicated cook, having been forced to learn (his wife can't cook for shit), but I decided a long time ago that I wanted to taste all the good things I never got to eat.
GordonGuano said @ 3:32am GMT on 28th Jan
Preach it, brother. I want to cry when I see a plain cheese pizza. I'm not saying it has to have pineapple and anchovies, but come on!
rndmnmbr said @ 7:20am GMT on 28th Jan
You know what kicks ass on pizza? Breakfast sausage, preferably the spicy kind. Seriously good.

I'm not a big fan of veggies on my pizza, but that doesn't stop me from eating it when someone else orders it.
hippoh said @ 7:36am GMT on 28th Jan
I like cheese pizza for the sake of cheese pizza. Any permutation of mushrooms, olives, and pineapple is good too.
midden said @ 1:47pm GMT on 28th Jan
My current favorite: mozzarella & Gouda with roasted walnuts.
dietcoke said @ 3:54am GMT on 28th Jan [Score:3 Underrated]
picky eaters are created by parents who simply have no parenting skills.
BE THE PARENT! make the food, unless they are allergic...if the do not wish to eat it,they can go hungry until the next meal.
Grow up and be a parent not a doormat.
anagramophone said @ 4:49am GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Informative]
you're being too soft. allergies are all in the head!
bruceski said @ 6:46am GMT on 28th Jan
A friend's mother nearly sent me to the hospital with that idea, under the mistaken impression that she was fixing a future son-in-law. Nothing quite as fun as being invited to a Thanksgiving weekend as a (carefully stressed) friend, only for an overenthusiastic mother to guarantee that every member of the extended family thinks you're shtupping the girl. Anyway yeah, she "accidentally" prepared the stuffing with nuts and I'm lucky I trusted my gut instinct after smelling it, even if I couldn't consciously put my finger on why.
oddzer said @ 2:10pm GMT on 28th Jan
Stuffing with nuts? Who would DO that? Bleah :P
EPT said @ 8:17pm GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Funny]
What's good for the goose is good for the gander, in their eyes. If you were stuffing one bird full of nutty goodness...
tiemy said @ 5:46am GMT on 28th Jan [Score:-1 Underrated]
this is called being an asshole parent. food is food, not cake or xbox, the little buggers *need* it. forcing them to go hungry because they dont like something is just sick
tiemy said @ 5:17pm GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Underrated]
i seem to have angered se's pro-starving your kids lobby
Shep said @ 7:30pm GMT on 28th Jan
No, you're just a moron.

Example: for about a week, all my kid wanted was peanut butter sandwiches. Breakfast, lunch, dinner. That's it. He outright refused a couple of meals that weren't peanut butter sandwiches, so he did, in fact, "go hungry" for a few hours.

What you're missing, though, is it isn't just my job to feed my kid. It's my job to make sure he gets the right kinds of food. If I had just given in and handed him a peanut butter sandwich every time he refused a meal, we'd be in the same situation the family in the article is in.

So yeah. He missed a meal or two and just drank his milk, but thanks to the power of (apparently) asshole parenting, he eats balanced meals whenever they're put in front of him.
tiemy said @ 9:00pm GMT on 28th Jan
not catering to a kid's PB sandwich phase is not the same as forcing the kid to go hungry for years (which produces stunted growth, 'food issues' etc) because they refuse to eat dipshit vegan mom's soy tofu casseroles. this is the asshole parenting in question, moron.
Shep said @ 9:38pm GMT on 28th Jan
Well then, good job changing the subject without telling anyone. I could have sworn we were all talking about someone who gave up and let their kid eat only chicken nuggets for years and years.

You totally showed me there.
tiemy said @ 11:44pm GMT on 28th Jan
was responding to dietcoke's comment, not the article
Shep said @ 12:16am GMT on 29th Jan
I know. dietcoke was responding to the article. He came up with a reasonable way to nip the type of behaviour the article talks about in the bud, and then you decided it meant he was advocating something very extreme.

He said the exact same thing I did - they can go hungry until the next meal - and you warped it into some twisted "starve the little bastards! That'll show 'em!" type of comment.

After reading your explanation to Midden, I get where you're coming from, but in quite a few cases not rewarding the behaviour will work. There's nothing stopping the parent from taking another tack if it doesn't work, but not mentioning that is hardly worth flaming the guy like you did.
tiemy said @ 3:34am GMT on 29th Jan
I responded to what was written, not what was written with a 'oh the writer probably means this' positive spin on it. The fact is that what was written did indeed have the kind of implications I highlighted (and have anecdotal evidence of); nowhere was it said that you should think of 'caving' and feeding your kid if it turns out there actually is such a thing as a picky child.

And you're making it out like I'm twisting this into some terrible strawman parenting mentality, but huge numbers of parents *do* think like this. Just like huge numbers of parents still think it's perfectly accept to wail on ('discipline') their 8 year old. Kudos to your fine parents if you find it unfathomable.
Shep said @ 4:06am GMT on 29th Jan
Yeah, people say a lot of dumb things if you are in the habit of totally ignoring the context they were said in. You didn't even bother to point out that you had any experience in the matter, let alone actually say what it was. Do you really not see how maybe your two comments there came off as just a little unreasonable?

If your first comments had contained what your later ones did, I would have been in there +1ing hard.
cache22 said @ 6:40pm GMT on 29th Jan
Refusing to acknowledge that written things come from writers with intent makes you sound a little aspie.
midden said @ 10:40pm GMT on 28th Jan [Score:-1]
Did someone suggest forcing their kid to go hungry for years?
tiemy said @ 11:43pm GMT on 28th Jan
see the comment i was responding to:

picky eaters are created by parents who simply have no parenting skills.
BE THE PARENT! make the food, unless they are allergic...


i.e., picky kids are the artificial result of pussy liberal parents who don't practice 'tough love' by making what they want to make, then telling their kids to shove off and go hungry if they don't like it.

if it actually worked like this, sure no kids would go hungry for long. but there actually *are* picky kids and, being the irrational little chimps that they are, can be stubborn enough to not eat dinner for years and suffer for it - in addition to the sort of fucked up parent-kid dynamic that comes with a constant and combative struggle over something as asinine and petty as what to eat. that's bad, no?
brat#3 said @ 12:44am GMT on 29th Jan [Score:1 Insightful]
Not eat dinner for years and suffer for it... yeah, I don't think this happens.

The time to set good eating habits is in the first five years. If you give in to a 2 year old, guess what! You're not going to have much luck with the 3 year old, the four year old, and definitely not the teenager. My niece and nephew won't eat vegetables. Their parents cave whenever they want something when they're out, even if there'll be lunch as soon as they get home. The youngest lives on chocolate yoghurt and peanut butter sandwiches. It has nothing to do with the kid being a 'picky' eater, he is a two year old. They want to eat what tastes good to them. Normal. But he didn't come to that position all on his own.

What you do as parents is expose your kids to lots of different foods, and let them pick from a range you have decided is ok. I don't care if my daughters want an apple or a banana or some raisins or a yoghurt, because they are all ok options. Treats are just that, treats. Occasional and not to be expected.

You say it's asinine to struggle over food, and to a degree that's true- it can be damaging to make your kids eat more than they want and set up bad relationships between appetite and eating behaviour, but you can expect them to try things and not have something catered purely for them. Otherwise - what you feed your child is not petty. It's really fundamental to raising a healthy, smart and properly developed child.

It's worth a week of setting actual boundaries and doing your damn job to get your kids to eat a range of foods. Kids are not irrational. They're manipulative little shits sometimes but that requires rationality. Don't think they don't know how far they can push you into giving them what they want. It's a parent's job to be the wall sometimes. If you're worried that they're going to hate you later on for feeding them properly, you have your priorities messed up.



tiemy said @ 3:15am GMT on 29th Jan [Score:1 Insightful]
It happens. Younger relative dealt with this for years in later childhood, pretty much didn't eat until his parents split. He was something like 110lbs when he started high school.

And I agree with your comment, encouraging a nutritious diet is crucial. But it's just as important (if not more) to make sure they're eating enough as it is to make sure they're not eating garbage. Admittedly there's a strange cultural attitude towards food in this country (stemming from the mass obesity?), where it's no big deal if you don't eat/skip a meal, but a lot of people can't function like that.

Providing a reasonable diet (no fast food, no soda, etc) should be taken for granted. Demanding your kid eat exclusively what fits your palate (and that's really what we're talking about - I'm sure the anti-picky-eater crowd would find many foods from other cultures repulsive) and then refuse them meals when they don't is what's asinine.

If my kid likes rice and refried beans instead of rice and black beans, I'll give him the damn refried beans. My job is to make sure the kid can bench 200 when he gets older, not to try and coerce him into liking black beans (or worse, as I think lurks below the surface with a lot of people, using access to food as a weapon to enforce the kid's submission to parental 'authority').
brat#3 said @ 5:27am GMT on 29th Jan
I don't mean to belittle your points, but it sounds like the eating issue was a symptom of a larger problem in this case.

I don't agree it's necessary to force your kid to eat everything they don't like, (as a kid I would refuse mushrooms point blank) but at the point it's interfering in their ability to take part in family meals or find anything at all they like from what is available in a standard healthy-stocked pantry, you have to take steps to stop it.

You mentioned something about a vegan-soy-tofu parental diet, and I think that if you have a very specific adult diet it's important to make allowances for what younger palates will enjoy- often blander- but there's a midpoint between forcing your kids to eat macrobiotic and allowing them to eat nothing but chicken nuggets because they've decided that's all they like.

And I agree food should never be a weapon, though that is a different issue than what this discussion started out about.
snowfox said @ 7:56am GMT on 29th Jan
Only as an adult did I realize the food I thought tasted good tasted really good, and I had to learn to tolerate eating foods that weren't my favorites.

Kids start being picky when they start walking because they wouldn't survive if they evolved to eat anything they come across. The only way to prevent a picky eater is to expose the child to as many foods as possible early on so they have a greater range to subtract from when they hit that age of natural suspicion. I read about it here a while back.
lilmookieesquire said @ 7:19am GMT on 28th Jan
I guess the typical liberal thinking would be as follows...

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Obviously, she won't read this... so I thought I'd embed it with a bit of detective work...

This comment says the same thing and was posted at almost the same time. The person seems orient, which diet come just defended... Hmmmm
Sorry it is sideways, working off my phone here...
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mechanical contrivance said @ 3:56am GMT on 28th Jan
I used to be a very picky eater, but now I eat almost anything.

A friend of mine just might be the pickiest eater on Earth. His whole childhood, he only ate bread, rice, plain pasta, popcorn, cheese puffs, and bacon. As he got older, his diet didn't change, though he did add french fries at some point.
papango said @ 7:33am GMT on 28th Jan
My dad started out as a picky eating, but because he doesn't really know how to cook he has to eat whatever my mother makes. He's smart enough to know he would probably starve to death if she ever stopped, so he will eat whatever she serves up. After 45 years of this he will eat pretty much anything that's put in front of him.
bruceski said @ 6:48am GMT on 28th Jan
I've got severe peanut/tree nut allergies, and it's resulted in my being instinctively nervous around food whose ingredients aren't clear. Still, I can usually work past it if I know it's safe. It helps that I have a good nose, and can usually trust my gut on whether something's safe to eat.
spookyliz said @ 6:55am GMT on 28th Jan [Score:3 Insightful]
can you answer a question for me?

so a peanut is actually a legume, not a nut. tree nuts are, well, tree nuts. you have a severe allergy to both. do you also have allergies to other legumes? what is the connection between peanuts and trees nut besides grammar? i've tried asking other people, but since i don't know anyone with a severe nut/pseudo-nut allergy, no one has really had an answer for me.
gunthar said @ 7:24pm GMT on 28th Jan
I have a mild peanut allergy. When I eat it, it just makes my skin really itchy.

My sister has a peanut allergy. On her 30th birthday, she went to a thai food place, and they cooked her food on the same take they had cut peanuts with. we had to take her to the hospital because she went into anaphylactic shock.

I'm allergic to a ton of things, but those are my only "nut" allergies. That's about the extent of my experience there. I don't have any other problems with legumes as far as I know.
bruceski said @ 9:51pm GMT on 28th Jan
Glad your sister's ok. Usually I can find something to eat when friends want to go somewhere particular but Thai's my only standing veto aside from a few particular restaurants.
bruceski said @ 9:47pm GMT on 28th Jan
There is no biological relation between peanuts and tree nuts (aside from, you know, evolution), but they're often packaged together. For example you rarely find peanuts in a bag of peas, but peanut butter candy bars may be made on shared equipment with the pure chocolate ones. There are also some allergens (peanuts, wheat) where the dust from processing is very difficult to contain which is why companies have taken it upon themselves to label "made in a facility that processes".

Since my peanut allergies are so severe I avoid all nuts and chocolate as they're the most common cross-contamination vectors. I've avoided them so fastidiously that I have an aversion to their smell/taste similar to one somebody may get if they got food poisoning from a particular food. I had an almond cookie once by accident and my mouth started itching but I don't know if that was an actual mild allergy, cross-contamination, or psychosomatic. Either way it wasn't pleasant, which is why I specify it with my peanut allergy (also because chocolate rarely shows up in things you don't expect it in while nuts can garnish a salad). Generally I consider myself lucky, I've met people allergic to wheat, soy, eggs, those kinds of things turn up everywhere while I mostly need to be alert around desserts and Thai food.

For whatever reason peanut allergies can be particularly volatile; somebody can have a mild reaction one time and wind up in the hospital the next. Other allergens (though not nearly all) tend to get progressively worse with more frequent exposure such that if somebody's avoided them for a long time a minor encounter isn't a big deal.
eIfish said @ 8:12pm GMT on 30th Jan
Note that 'wheat allergy' is not an allergy in the conventional sense, in that there's no systemic reaction. Instead all the villi in the intestine die and fall off, causing symptoms very similar to dysentery or cholera.

There are very few people I'd wish it on.
rndmnmbr said @ 7:09am GMT on 28th Jan
That is a good reason. Peanut allergies (or at least "immediate anaphylactic shock" allergies) are serious business.
cb361 said @ 9:54am GMT on 28th Jan
Your mother had hentai mania?
rndmnmbr said @ 6:14pm GMT on 28th Jan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiatal_hernia
structured_spirits said @ 2:59am GMT on 28th Jan
I know everyone is going to thing I'm just making a joke, but I seriously think she kind of looks like a chicken nugget, especially around the mouth area. Something about the translucent white skin reminds me of mechanically separated mcnugget meat.
tickaz said @ 1:09pm GMT on 28th Jan
I'd like to mechanically seperate her mcnugget meat, if you know what I mean.
mwoody said @ 3:08am GMT on 28th Jan
Headline says ate "nothing" but nuggets. Look down, see caption for picture: "little else" but nuggets.

Took all of 0.6 seconds to locate an outright lie in the story. Has to be a record.
tiemy said @ 5:39am GMT on 28th Jan
a rare blemish on the daily mail's otherwise impeccable journalistic record

(daily mail = tory tabloid shit)
atter_cob said @ 3:29am GMT on 28th Jan [Score:2 Funny]
"I’m praying she can be helped before it’s too late."

Clearly the mother is taking the issue seriously and doing all she can for the child. Some other parents would be doing things like talking to the child or haver her see a therapist. But this mother is praying and really that's the only thing that could possibly be effective.

kichijoii said @ 4:35am GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Funny]
On the one hand, it doesn't matter how dumb the girl is, why not hit it. On the other hand, she might have a heart attack mid coitus, which is no fun for me. Final verdict: pass, and don't forget your vitamins.
rndmnmbr said @ 7:11am GMT on 28th Jan [Score:2 Insightful]
If you're already mid-coitus when she dies, I believe the rules permit you to finish.
spite48 said @ 11:44am GMT on 28th Jan
Just make sure you tell the cops that you were attempting to administer CPR internally.
Supreme_Coconut said @ 2:13pm GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Funny]
Yes, I can see it now. The cops arrive and he's still naked. The officer asks what happened and the guy's all "I was trying to stimulate her heart with my dick by forcing it to pump blood." Then the cop looks down and says "With that thing? Do you honestly expect me to believe that? I mean who are you trying to fool?"
ScoobySnacks said @ 6:07am GMT on 28th Jan
rndmnmbr said @ 7:17am GMT on 28th Jan
As an aside, there's something else that pisses me off. Get your sugary-sweet Whatevertini bitch drink out of my goddamned house! There are TWO acceptable martinis! One is two shots of gin, stirred with ice, wave sealed vermouth bottle over the glass, add olive. The other is two shots of vodka, shaken well, wave sealed vermouth bottle over glass, add lemon twist. Nothing else ending in "-tini" is acceptable or permitted in my presence.
sacrelicious said @ 8:27am GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Funny]
I don't think they're actually offering this up as a legitimate or respectable beverage.
spite48 said @ 11:49am GMT on 28th Jan [Score:2]
I wish I could say that I drink caramel apple-tinis to piss off purists like you, but really I drink them because they're delicious.
theolypse said @ 6:38am GMT on 29th Jan
I don't mind you drinking that, but why the fuck do people use -tini for things without vermouth?
mechanical contrivance said @ 7:18pm GMT on 29th Jan
It's a tini if it comes in a martini glass.
theolypse said @ 1:19am GMT on 30th Jan
So when I run out of lowballs and serve my gimlet in a champagne flute (because I'm classy), it magically transmutes to wine? That's idiotic.
mechanical contrivance said @ 1:31am GMT on 30th Jan [Score:1 Insightful]
Not magically. It's a chemical reaction.
sacrelicious said @ 2:31am GMT on 30th Jan
yeah, only beer steins are magic.
Viking_Biochemist said @ 1:48am GMT on 29th Jan [Score:1 Underrated]
The whole "sealed vermouth bottle waved over glass thing" mystifies me. I'm not sure why drinking neat gin or vodka became the height of martini sophistication. That's not a martini, it's a glass of gin. Good vermouth is delicious, and goes beautifully with good gin - that's the whole damn point of the cocktail.

Personally I leave my gin in the freezer at all times, and make a martini by adding 1/4 to 1/3 good dry vermouth and 3/4 to 2/3 gin to a glass, then plonking one or two nice fat green olives in there. No fartarsing around with ice or shakers required.

I'll do the "Rinse glass with vermouth, then fill with neat gin" thing in the event of a bottle of Hendricks finding itself in my house, though. A slice of cucumber goes nicely.

Which reminds me, I haven't had a martini in over a year. Babies are awesome, but they do have their downsides...
Chop-Logik said @ 5:05am GMT on 29th Jan
As gin is watered down & generally comes to you around 40-ish percent, there is less need for the vermouth to make it drinkable. This has led to people breathily whispering 'vermouth' at their glass of gin and calling it a martini.
theolypse said @ 6:41am GMT on 29th Jan
Gin used to be sold consistently above 80-proof?
Chop-Logik said @ 7:44am GMT on 29th Jan
In the 18th century, sure.
theolypse said @ 9:57am GMT on 29th Jan
Liquor was consistent in the 18th century?
Chop-Logik said @ 5:03pm GMT on 29th Jan
Consistently undrinkable.
rndmnmbr said @ 10:35pm GMT on 29th Jan
And yet, they still consistently drank the stuff, although that's more "can't function without alcohol" than "this tastes good!"
Jewbacchus said @ 2:22pm GMT on 29th Jan
The vermouth is irrelevant because there's so much olive juice in my martini that I may as well be having soup.
lilmookieesquire said @ 3:04am GMT on 30th Jan [Score:1 Informative]
2pts gin, 1 pt vermouth, 3 jalapeno stuffed olives = mooktini
mechanical contrivance said @ 3:24am GMT on 30th Jan
3 pints of liquor in one drink? Damn, you're a lush.
sacrelicious said @ 8:28am GMT on 28th Jan
but what about those of us who prefer the sweet and sour sauce on our McNuggets? can that be subbed for the BBQ sauce?
hippoh said @ 7:45am GMT on 28th Jan
I'm a vegetarian, and I'm one of the least picky eaters I know. When people bring up this fact when we go out to eat I just tell them the truth: I'll find something on the menu to eat, not a big deal. If I have to get a dish with meat and eat around the meat, it's not the ideal vegetarian meal, but it's not the end of the world and nobody is going to revoke my vegetarian card.

My girlfriend's family is a family of serious picky eaters, and it's very fucking annoying. Her brothers will only get hamburgers with the bun, pattie and nothing else. They love Kraft Mac N Cheese but won't touch homemade macaroni and cheese; they all have their own preference for plain sandwiches and they have the exact same recipes at all of their family parties. Now I grew up poor, so we didn't have the money to be spoiled, so we ate whatever was put in front of our faces or we didn't eat at all. My girlfriend tells me when they were younger, their mom would make roast beef with mayo for one son, turkey with cheese for another, etc. Is it going to kill you to try something new? Thankfully, my girlfriend is not at all like this.

It's like, I'm supposed to be the one with a restrictive diet, not them.
KingTaco said @ 6:13pm GMT on 28th Jan
If you order a dish with meat why not eat the meat? Unless you're vegetarian for dietary reasons it's kind of a waste to just throw it out. I mean, you've already created the demand for a couple of ounces of flesh, the harm is done, not eating it won't make it any better.
sacrelicious said @ 6:18pm GMT on 28th Jan
stop tempting him with your meaty goodness, KingTaco!
hippoh said @ 12:44am GMT on 30th Jan
I don't order meat dishes. When dinners are family style or otherwise shared (pizza, chinese, thai, italian), that's when I eat around the meat.
chold_numa said @ 7:51am GMT on 28th Jan
The McDonalds toys are a lot better in the UK than in Oz...
De_Wr0ng said @ 3:39pm GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Underrated]
I love xmas time and all the food. put on 8 lbs too

Main Causes of weight gain you ask?


Shit like this


KingTaco said @ 6:18pm GMT on 28th Jan
I've been staring at these two pictures for nigh on three minutes now. I'm starting to feel like I haven't eaten in weeks.
mrcucumber said @ 7:04pm GMT on 28th Jan
With portion sizes big enough to stretch your stomach threefold, I'd say you're feelings are justified.
EPT said @ 8:21pm GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Insightful]
You're supposed to invite other people to your Christmas dinner; that way the food gets shared amongst many!
De_Wr0ng said @ 4:21pm GMT on 30th Jan
I got invited :P
Bodnoirbabe said @ 2:06am GMT on 29th Jan
I never understood the weight gain during the holidays thing. You're not eating like that every single night for a month. How on earth did you gain eight lbs on two big meals, probably eaten on separate days?
rndmnmbr said @ 3:34am GMT on 29th Jan
One word: leftovers.
mechanical contrivance said @ 3:16am GMT on 29th Jan
There's some stuff there I don't recognize, such as the white thing in the middle of the top pic and most of the bottom pic. What is it all?
anagramophone said @ 2:47pm GMT on 29th Jan
white thing looks like a big wedge of feta to me (or maybe a fuck-off slab of butter), purple thing looks like a beet.

on the bottom, i see a stuffed crab top right, and i'm guessing plaintains (or maybe yam) atop roast chicken bottom right, dolmas and tzatziki on bottom left, breadsticks and hummus (?) in the small dish.
De_Wr0ng said @ 4:35pm GMT on 30th Jan
Top on was a piece of cheese, pickled turnips and Kebbeh Nayeh

Bottom one is Grape Leak Mehsheh covered in Labon, fried breadfruit, Fattoush, jerk pork with pepper, hommus and bread


There were others, just never took pics ;)
cb361 said @ 10:15pm GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Insightful]
"Eating one or two things is psychologically addiction," she said. "Perhaps the only way to break it is to go cold turkey"

But what if you're addicted to eating cold turky?
sacrelicious said @ 10:16pm GMT on 28th Jan [Score:1 Insightful]
gradually eat slightly warmer and warmer turkey until before you know it you're eating hot turkey.
Misanthrope said @ 10:32pm GMT on 28th Jan
Factory worker at 17?
papango said @ 12:21am GMT on 29th Jan [Score:1 Insightful]
Yep. School leaving age is 16. At least she has a job.
drd69 said @ 4:07pm GMT on 29th Jan

superargo said @ 4:54am GMT on 30th Jan
Yes. I would hit it.
rndmnmbr said @ 8:03am GMT on 30th Jan
I dunno, man. A box of chicken mcnuggets isn't all that erotic. Besides, the cardboard would chafe and the cheap barbeque sauce would leave your dick stained.
Naruki said @ 1:12am GMT on 31st Jan [Score:-1 Troll]
Stained with delicious barbecue. He's a genius!
rndmnmbr said @ 9:12am GMT on 31st Jan
Whoops, I think I just tripped over someone's spank bank.

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