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Sunday, 2 November 2008
quote [ "Nowadays the dynamic element is more important in chess - players more often sacrifice material to obtain dynamic compensation." ~ Boris Spassky ]
But first, an essay from the Gods.
[mafia game] [by Hipatitis!@12:25amGMT] [+10 WTF] The Illusion of Choice In previous SE Mafia games, players were told not only their role, but their allegiance. The world -- according to mafia -- is extremely simple in design: Town is good, Mafia is bad. Such simplicity has been expanded by SE, with multiple mafia, multiple mason groups, condition-based Splodeys, and anough other conditions that the simple game of mafia here appears to sites as mafiascum as a convoluted, overwrought, unplayable mess. But we kept playing. And we kept being told what side we were to support. But, more often than not, those who were told to support the town found -- in mid-to-late game situations -- that a fraction of the town had control over the groups' decision-making. sythe controlled Sensible Ninjas. Aidentas "owned" the days in Epicerie, even after being recruited. The Awesome Club in Androids. -_- in almost every game. Any surviving investigator in a game with consistent protection. Choice. Did we choose to sit back, and let the few lead the many against the few? Or is this concept related to the nature of large-scale mafia? Are we each too disaffected by the size of the game surrounding us, or the lack of apparent simplicity in these games' laws to step forward for ourselves? Do we get lost in the proverbial crowd? Have I turned into Carrie Bradshaw? Should I get fitted for my Manolo Blahniks? Why am I asking you? Choice. Did we want two informed minorities going against each other? One on our side, one not? How Manichean that concept seems to my delicate toes. Choice. Why did we, the town, have to support one minority over the other? If the mafia intrigues us more than the masons, why can we not back the mafia? Sensible Caesar. Choice. The vast majority of people could openly attempt to choose whom to support. The game did not exist on the concept of a simple society. You could actively choose your support, and both the Senate and Caesar had options in how to gain your support. In actuality, they still do have the ability to gain your support through a number of ways, but many of these ways died with the end of Dies III. Well, he we are. Dies IV, and I'm at the back end of the rulebook. I've had to enact a condition that -- while included into the official rules -- I did not expect to see used, least not so early into this game. For those of you who have supported Caesar, you are under no obligation to change your affiliation. For those of you who were watching the day period, and were trying to decide which side had your best interests at heart, you are under no obligation to choose an affiliation. For those of you who are drifting along, wanting to play the game but too absent from discussion to make a vote, too timid to think for yourselves, too busy waiting for someone to step forward and lead you, the declaration made yesterday was for you. If you want a simple game, then follow the outline I provided for you yesterday. You do not have to treat Caesar as Mafia, and Senate as Mason. Contrary to a comment made yesterday, Caesar may be well Mason, and Senate Mafia. They may both be Mafia, or they may both be Mason. ...Or maybe the Roman Mob are the bad guys we want. :p You need not burden yourselves along the illusion of choice, because all roads, despite their various starting points, lead to one place. Be you slave or Senator, Censura or Caesar, you are mortal, and you can be immortalized in this game. No role is truly dismissable, no matter how disaffected you may feel. Play the game, speak out, ask questions. If you're genuinely confused, PM me; I'll either clarify things, or smile at you and obfuscate in the ways GMs are want to do. --- The Slave Revolt Bacchus Maccabeus, the original Censura of Rome, was a great scholar of the collective effervescence found in the lower classes, especially in lands not as enlightened as Rome. He knew of Spartacus, and he wished that slaves everywhere would overthrow their shackles and overthrow the Republic; spilling its corrupt bowels from here to Ostia. Despite his noble life, and service to the betterment of Rome, he found all of the noble parties (the Optimates, the Senate, Pompey, Caesar, even Sulla and Cato) corrupt, with their best interests in mind, and not those of the people. Had he been a lesser man, he would've resigned himself to being unable to affect change, diligently pursuing a complete roll of all members of Roman lands. Instead, he sought to use his investigative ability to bring forward the revolt. He nominated Facius Textus to the Senate... Who was killed by Biggus Dickus. Bacchus Maccabeus died, not knowing what would happen to his dream of a slave uprising. Effrego Dei (Theolypse) was Vidi Vici Veni's slave. What his tasks were... I'm not going to speculate. However, Effrego Dei was elevated to VVV's Senate Position. With the announcement yesterday of a dissolving government, and the new Censure's lack of ability to appoint any slaves to the Senate in the near future, Effrego Dei was the Slave Revolt's last hope. He was killed by Antony. Well before he role-revealed last night. While last night was Effrego Dei's Splodey night, he was not skilled enough a warrior to fall Antony. The Slaves lose. --- Mark Antony's Punishment As the government does not completely dissolve until the end of Dies IV, Caesar was publically furious that Antony killed a senator. Caesar announced that for the actions he has committed, Antony must be sentenced to death in the Arena. As Rome has a severe Gladiator shortage, 50 Aureii (enough to buy a few kills) have been printed for the person who causes Antony's death in the Arena. Of course, if you lose to Antony in the Arena, you die. If one wishes to participate, one should PM me or leave a message in IRC. --- Night Kills Titus Tarquinius Regulus (Zelgius) and Odious Toga Litmus (macst34) were found dead on the edge of Rome. In Odious Toga Litmus' hand was a Gaelic weapon, signaling that he was the Gaelic Non-Citizen. T. T. Regulus was the Worker of the Aventine, and decided that he would fight back against his attacker. A Senator came by later to kill T. T. Regulus, but, having seen the carnage before him, ran back to his residence. He had thankfully formulated his decision too late in the evening... For his sake, at least. Sus Fornaticus (foobar) was also dead, apparently from Praetorian hands. He had been the Worker of the Esquiline. --- 29 remain. PLAYER LIST: CLICK HERE PREVIOUS DAYS: Dies 0 - http://www.sensibleerection.com/entry.php/73117 Dies I - http://www.sensibleerection.com/entry.php/73155 Dies II - http://www.sensibleerection.com/entry.php/73205 Dies III - http://www.sensibleerection.com/entry.php/73240 IRC - http://www.mibbit.com/networks/esper/semafia.html The Public Forum (Expand to view) - http://groups.google.com/group/thepublicforum FINANCES: As the pending dissolution of the government makes debt collection not feasible, the only finances that matter are the buying of protection/night kills. No one can enter default. ******************************************* SUMMARY: Each member of the Roman Mob still has the ability to choose if you wish to support the Senate or Caesar. Those who do not want to choose would do well to read the End of Dies III message again. Theolypse dead. Slaves lose. Antony killed Senator, sentenced to death in the Arena. All interested parties PM me or come to IRC. macst34 and Zelgius kill each other. Foobar dead. Senate kill. No defaults, no problem. *********************************************** NOTES: Plexer and Omagus23 are on notice. The Senate will use their final opportunity to vote on two issues: 1) Vote to have an orgy on Dies V. 2) Vote to ban "no votes". (Enforceable by the Roman Mob) The Censure of Rome needs to have one more Senate nomination by the end of Dies IV. You can still choose which side you wish to support. If you do not care for choice, then follow the end of Dies III message. RULE CLARIFICATIONS: Caesar's death can only occur when Caesar is vulnerable. Remove the nest, and the eagle can fall. Mercenary kill/protections can only be successful if a mercenary is making himself available for work. If a kill/protect fails, most likely such failure is due to not having a mercenary available. ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: The "hate your players" remark is one that sythe and I have discussed whilst talking SEMafia GM planning. The comment is not indicative of my feelings towards any player, either inside or outside of this game. The line suggests a theoretical concept behind game design. The rulebook for this game is 193 pages long... Yes, I was very bored. Yes, I am quite undersexed. No, I am not spending all of Dies IV getting drunk at the brothels. ...There's a chance Dies V will be an orgy, after all. (That is one big wall of text) |
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Hipatitis!
said @ 12:30am GMT on 2nd Nov
[Score:2 Informative]
If you don't want to read the wall of text, I guess you could read the summary, but... Dies IV is long thanks to the competition in the Arena, my duties as a zombie employee, my duties for this election, and to give you time to actually read the supergiant wall of text. It's a big day period. Anyways, Voting Thread! Or should I say... Voting Yarn? |
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redemption
said @ 12:59am GMT on 2nd Nov
Partly to ensure the vote script is working properly, and partly out of suspicion - Nibbon. He was all over the place the first couple of days, and chalked it up to trying to 'splodey on someone on Day 2. I say he's got something else to hide. |
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nibbon
said @ 12:46pm GMT on 2nd Nov
nope, being a splodey on day 2 is pretty much it. |
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redemption
said @ 5:47pm GMT on 5th Nov
Well, as nibbon got himself killed, cb361. I don't want to be the one to come down any side of a multi-lynch I'm unsure of. |
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archangel_2
said @ 3:59am GMT on 3rd Nov
to prove that I'm still on the side of Caesar, I'm going to vote for her most vocal opponent: Scholastica Erotica Majora (Juju) (well, for the past couple days - NO ONE has been vocal Dies IV!) |
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cb361
said @ 8:53pm GMT on 5th Nov
I have pondered your words deeply, for indeed our great nation is riven with an ideological twain that must be resolved if we are to prosper. But whether you support Caesar#3 or that most vocal juju, murder is not the answer. Take heed my stern warning. I repeat : Violence never solves anything. Not unless it's bikini mud wrestling! I vote for Bikini Mud Wrestling. |
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Context
said @ 8:00am GMT on 3rd Nov
eightysix because I still want to see the reaction |
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eightysix
said @ 12:59am GMT on 4th Nov
Context because for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. |
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eightysix
said @ 11:19pm GMT on 5th Nov
juju |
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HPew
said @ 1:50pm GMT on 3rd Nov
spite48 Kill the confused. |
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spite48
said @ 2:37pm GMT on 3rd Nov
I take issue with your reason, but whatever. If you are yourself confused I can hardly fault you. There won't be a reciprocal vote because I think either faction might have better information. |
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HPew
said @ 7:29pm GMT on 5th Nov
Well, no support for that. It seems that eightysix is in trouble, but I won't add to his woes, so... daffyduck |
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CapnSilver
said @ 9:54pm GMT on 3rd Nov
I'm voting for Cunnilingus Expertus (flying_cannibal) for not answering my question properly. I think he's trying to deflect... something Gad, I dont know. But it's a vote |
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nibbon
said @ 11:48pm GMT on 3rd Nov
Good thing for the extended day indeed. I will vote for daffyduck for now because, eh. |
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shizac
said @ 4:35am GMT on 4th Nov
Vote brat#3 because of theory listed below or until I'm proven wrong. |
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assbastard
said @ 10:37am GMT on 4th Nov
I vote for eightysix on the pretense that he's been incredibly quiet, or I've been skimming over everything. |
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daffyduck
said @ 7:28pm GMT on 4th Nov
My hair hurts. We had a company party yesterday, and it was quite the bacchanal. Almost 12 hours of solid drinking, with some eating done in between. I'll just drop a vote for Equinophobe and return to a more comfortable postition, that is lying down. When I can think again I'll come by and read what's really going on. |
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gmg
said @ 9:10pm GMT on 4th Nov
I vote for Mopy J ... no reason. sorry... |
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Mopy J
said @ 12:51am GMT on 5th Nov
Juju for archangel_2's reasons. |
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juju
said @ 2:16am GMT on 5th Nov
archangel_2 To show my support of the Senate's rule over Caesar's. |
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juju
said @ 9:04pm GMT on 5th Nov
Mopy J Trying to kill me based on someone elses reasons to kill me makes me less trusting of you than the person who is calling loudest for my death. Has also been expressing mild support of Caesar, but not too loud or too attention grabbing. |
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juju
said @ 11:11pm GMT on 5th Nov
eightysix out of interest and to not die. Out of the two candidates I'm tied with he's the one that Caesar is not voting for, so is more likely to be one of her side. Not to mention he has voted for me in the past while I've been loudly supporting the Senate while staying relatively quiet for him. |
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brat#3
said @ 6:31am GMT on 5th Nov
I'm torn between taiga and daffyduck. Unfortunately Nibbon was felled by Antony, so that makes the decision harder. I will stick with taiga, as at least he has admitted his splodey day is past. If any of you would support me, although it pains me to ask, this is still my best candidate. Juju I believe to be a strongly opinioned Roman, but no senator. Again, I have no quarrel with her. |
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brat#3
said @ 10:28pm GMT on 5th Nov
Well, since that's not going to work, I'll go with daffyduck since he's the only one of the candidates who I get a senator vibe from. |
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brat#3
said @ 12:03am GMT on 6th Nov
juju I would say nothing personal, but the fact that you're supporting the Senate on a purely ideological basis and not on anything they've actually done makes me sad. |
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juju
said @ 12:14am GMT on 6th Nov
Kisses! |
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cb361
said @ 12:17am GMT on 6th Nov
No pressure, but we've still got the Bikini Mud Wrestling kit... |
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juju
said @ 12:58am GMT on 6th Nov
Best to do it before rigor mortis sets in.... of course I have a feeling the lifelessness of my body would take some of the fun out of it. |
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brat#3
said @ 12:18am GMT on 6th Nov
I edited out the 'still love you though' I originally had at the end. But, still love you though! |
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juju
said @ 12:40am GMT on 6th Nov
Still love you too! In fact, I love you so much I would totally be up to using that mud wrestling kit that keeps being brought up for some nice bonding after we take each other out for drinks (assuming that happens before we're both old and would break hips that way.) ;D Too bad I'll miss the orgy. |
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Hipatitis!
said @ 12:46am GMT on 6th Nov
Oh? Also, since when has being dead meant not being involved in an orgy? |
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taiga
said @ 1:32am GMT on 6th Nov
Yeah, this is Rome! |
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coochorama42
said @ 1:22pm GMT on 5th Nov
I spent a lot of time the last few days looking at another election. Now that that is settled, I'll put down a coochorama42 vote to save myself on the vote thing, with every intention to vote for someone else if I'm not out celebrating again tonight! Sorry, but it is so worth it. |
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Stension
said @ 3:22pm GMT on 5th Nov
brat#3 I still want to see what happens if the lynch mob was targeted at Caesar. Madness? This is Rome! |
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dead_bob
said @ 3:31pm GMT on 5th Nov
daffyduck to honor Nibbon's death in the arena /me pours wine from amphora on the curb |
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Bodnoirbabe
said @ 6:03pm GMT on 5th Nov
This day has been so long I almost forgot to vote! I'm going to have to go with eightysix. I don't think Juju should die just because she's vocally against Caesar. I think voting for Brat is stupid because she obviously is Caesar and it's a wasted vote and Nibbon voted for daffyduck and now that he's dead, I don't know if his vote will count. I have to decide on someone because I'm not going to let a four way lynch happen and so eightsix is the one I'm picking. |
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spite48
said @ 9:14pm GMT on 5th Nov
juju for reasons explained below. |
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Equinophobe
said @ 10:20pm GMT on 5th Nov
eightysix |
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cb361
said @ 10:55pm GMT on 5th Nov
I don't think anybody is going for the Mud Wrestling approach, so in spite (or perhaps because) of my secret infatuation I'll vote juju for triple lynch lulz. I might have gone for brat#3, but she didn't have enough votes for mine to make a difference. More importantly, a triple lynch with an hour left to vote won't go through, but we might learn something from the way people jump. |
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cb361
said @ 11:59pm GMT on 5th Nov
daffyduck seems a safer target, if nobody is going to interfere with the double lynch. |
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Hipatitis!
said @ 12:32am GMT on 2nd Nov
[Score:1 Informative]
Use this yarn to discuss the two Senate votes on tap today. In case you missed it: 1) Vote to make Dies V an orgy. 2) Vote to ban "no votes". |
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redemption
said @ 12:55am GMT on 2nd Nov
1) Aye! 2) I'd propose an amendment to make "no vote" as a final vote count as not having voted, but make it fine through the day so people can see who has dropped in without the prospect of accidentally starting a bandwagon. |
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brat#3
said @ 1:10am GMT on 2nd Nov
I would say they could have the option to vote 'no lynch' instead- that way if it does still rule at the end of the day it's at least an enactable majority, and the second place runner to 'no vote' doesn't die just because people hadn't made up their minds. |
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taiga
said @ 7:42am GMT on 2nd Nov
I like this idea. Is it agreeable to the Gods? |
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Hipatitis!
said @ 8:39am GMT on 2nd Nov
SENATE: Consider the option put forth above me. |
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taiga
said @ 3:34pm GMT on 2nd Nov
Woo! I'm a deal-brokerer! |
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Silent
said @ 1:13am GMT on 2nd Nov
Yes! 1) I support this motion! 2) I agree that "no vote" should be penalised, treated as if the player votes not, two consecutive and they're dead by the mob or some such. |
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dead_bob
said @ 1:15am GMT on 2nd Nov
1) yes, as long as all the animals are consenting 2) No, since some people can not make up their minds or just plainly do not want to lynch people. |
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HPew
said @ 4:37pm GMT on 2nd Nov
"Not want to lynch people"? What kind of anti-Roman thinking is that?! As for your first point, such people should be sewn into sacks and cast into the Tiber. |
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HPew
said @ 11:46am GMT on 2nd Nov
Yes on Proposition #1 Yes on Proposition #2 It's all good! |
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HPew
said @ 1:51pm GMT on 3rd Nov
Maybe we shouldn't vote for the orgy. If the pox that turned up on Dies III is still going round, a Dies V orgy could leave a lot of us... itchy. |
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redemption
said @ 2:03pm GMT on 3rd Nov
Hmm... very true, that is something I hadn't thought of. Then again, we could all just use assbastard's implements. |
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archangel_2
said @ 3:57am GMT on 3rd Nov
I'd like to see the Senate vote "yay" on both as well... |
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juju
said @ 11:01pm GMT on 3rd Nov
1) Yes, although those who participate should have an examination to see if their genitalia have any suspicious spots (as opposed to the unsuspicious sort?) 2) Ban no votes; and no "no lynch" votes. It keeps us from having information, and if the "no lynch" vote measure goes through we will have a game that lasts forever with only night kills to decide things. And our GM has to work on getting that undersexed problem rectified at some point, which is hard when we demand so much attention! |
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spite48
said @ 9:21pm GMT on 5th Nov
1) I could use a good orgy. 2) I'm against 'no votes' and 'no lynch' votes. Each option just gives the factions with night-kills an advantage. |
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foobar's ghost
said @ 1:14am GMT on 2nd Nov
Harrasses brat#3 nocturnally |
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brat#3
said @ 1:21am GMT on 2nd Nov
Sorry.. but at least you don't have to worry about the tax rate anymore!! :D See? Always look on the bright side of death. *whistles* |
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foobar
said @ 2:47am GMT on 2nd Nov
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G. Julius Caesar
said @ 2:05am GMT on 2nd Nov
My Fellow Romans. It appears we are all blessed, again, with a Choice. Am I to be your enemy? Will you reject my actions until this point, and instead choose to accept the inherent 'truth' of a Label? I have acted to this point in good faith. I was as aware of any plans the Gods had in store for me as any of you were; perhaps from the outset my actions would have been different if had known the letter I would be forced to wear. But I will not shake my fist at the Gods, and mourn my life of good deeds, even if those decisions I have already made may yet cause my death. If you would have me be your Enemy, then as with all things, I shall submit to the will of the people. But I would not have any one of you believing I had been perpetuating a lie against you, there was no agenda of mine that I had not made clear to you. I await your decision with all due respect. |
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Voluptuous Phallus
said @ 2:34am GMT on 3rd Nov
My Emperor, I kneel before you with humility and respect. I serve none other than you, and I live safely in the knowledge you serve none other than the people. Lead us to the glory of Rome! |
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flying_cannibal
said @ 2:37am GMT on 2nd Nov
well this is much more interesting now. |
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assbastard
said @ 3:14am GMT on 2nd Nov
I'm still alive and there's no taxes! FREE "BRUTALIZER" DILDOS TO THE FIRST 3 PEOPLE IN LINE TODAY! |
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Context
said @ 5:03am GMT on 2nd Nov
*lines up |
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assbastard
said @ 5:17am GMT on 2nd Nov
I'll even throw in extra metal screw-in spikes for you! |
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Context
said @ 7:48am GMT on 3rd Nov
*pays random Roman child to line up behind me and give me his |
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juju
said @ 4:28am GMT on 2nd Nov
OOC: ...dude, what the fuck? Way to make it impossible to figure stuff out in the 5 minutes I'm going to be able to poach internet. At least the day is much longer. I doubt internet is possible until Monday night after these few minutes, but this is me checking in to say: yay! I'm not dead yet. Also, our poor GM is undersexed? No wonder he's wanting to throw orgies. :D |
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Hipatitis!
said @ 8:45am GMT on 2nd Nov
Well, everyone else was throwing forwards giant walls of text, and I didn't want to be left out. Damn peer pressure. |
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archangel_2
said @ 3:54am GMT on 3rd Nov
it wins every time. (I think it cheats.) |
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juju
said @ 10:51pm GMT on 3rd Nov
Alright, back in town, rested, and going to try to get things sorted. Thank goodness for an extended day. |
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CapnSilver
said @ 6:05am GMT on 2nd Nov
AH DON UNNASTAAAAAAAAND! |
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brat#3
said @ 6:11am GMT on 2nd Nov
*sigh*. Since people were confused about the 'choose your own allegiance' set up, Aids has made it a little easier for people by declaring that if you want there to be a clear direction, you can just try and kill my faction as we're currently the 'mafia'. However, 'Mafia' doesn't have to mean anything if you don't want it to. You don't have to choose to kill me unless you want to, neither my faction nor the Senatorial faction require the death of the Mob to win. You can side with whatever faction you like. There is no losing for the Mob, unless of course you all die in the crossfire. If you think one side cares more about your survival, support them. If you hate them both, kill them both. It's really up to you. |
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CapnSilver
said @ 7:04am GMT on 2nd Nov
Like I'd trust caesar's advice |
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Bodnoirbabe
said @ 7:35am GMT on 2nd Nov
Holy crap, we broke the game! That's just....everyone should be proud! It's hard to break a text based game. Anyhow, I say ORGY! I've just ordered some new pasties and am dying to try them out! |
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archangel_2
said @ 3:53am GMT on 3rd Nov
did you MEAN to say "pasties" or did you mean panties? just curious... (if it was the first: what's a pasty? and if it was the second: pixpls.) |
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brat#3
said @ 4:11am GMT on 3rd Nov
The only pasties I can think of are Cornish pasties.. but I'm not sure how she'd be trying them out in this context. Context, how do you think she'd be trying them out in you? |
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taiga
said @ 7:11am GMT on 3rd Nov
Pasties are those things that you put over your nipples when you're a stripper to get around the laws what say you can't have your nipples uncovered. |
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brat#3
said @ 7:18am GMT on 3rd Nov
Well SOMEONE'S been spending a lot of time in the red light district, I see. |
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taiga
said @ 8:04am GMT on 3rd Nov
I'm... well, you know. Gotta see to it that all the plumbing works... sure. Let's go with that. (In all truth, I live in Michigan, which is known for pasties, pronounced past-ease, which are little meat pies or something, I'm told. I therefore have to correct people on which pasties they're talking about. It's quite silly.) |
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archangel_2
said @ 2:13pm GMT on 3rd Nov
Then I DEFINITELY want pix - sooner than NOW!! ;) |
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cb361
said @ 10:39pm GMT on 5th Nov
She's got the Power Pasties, and she's not afraid to use them! |
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Context
said @ 7:31am GMT on 3rd Nov
Sticky. |
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Hipatitis!
said @ 8:47am GMT on 2nd Nov
[Score:1 Informative]
UPDATES FROM THE ARENA GO HERE |
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Hipatitis!
said @ 8:49am GMT on 2nd Nov
A Gladiator has fallen! Tiberius Albius Bibulus (Silent) is no more. Who else will challenge Antony? |
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Silent
said @ 1:12pm GMT on 2nd Nov
Cut down, for the glory and entertainment of Rome.. avenge me.. |
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brat#3
said @ 5:32pm GMT on 2nd Nov
All funeral rites will be arranged and your family cared for. *sigh*. |
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Hipatitis!
said @ 10:49am GMT on 3rd Nov
CLARIFICATION TO THE UPDATE In the Arena, you will have a chance to defeat Antony directly in combat. (Via some sort of javascript-based game) Defeating him kills him. Drawing or losing to him kills you. Any other CHALLENGERS? |
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Hipatitis!
said @ 11:08am GMT on 3rd Nov
ONE LAST BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING Should Antony survive his punishment in the Arena, he cannot win anymore by merely killing Octavian then Caesar. He has a much harder, longer path to undertake. (That's what she said.) |
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al_
said @ 2:08am GMT on 4th Nov
YES! I WANT TO KILL HIM! (pm'd you. java game fun?) |
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brat#3
said @ 2:14am GMT on 4th Nov
Good luck! |
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al_
said @ 7:03am GMT on 4th Nov
Long Live Ceasar! |
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Hipatitis!
said @ 3:15am GMT on 4th Nov
Romulus Augustulus (Nibbon) has fallen in the arena! |
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brat#3
said @ 7:31am GMT on 4th Nov
Rome salutes your bravery. We raise a cup in your honour. |
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Zelgius
said @ 9:29am GMT on 2nd Nov
You know, in the 10+ mafia games I've played in, I've never been nightkilled before. Now two people try to kill me on the same night? And on my splodey night to boot? That's just hilarious! |
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archangel_2
said @ 3:52am GMT on 3rd Nov
you da man! . . . sort of. |
sythe
said @ 3:10am GMT on 3rd Nov
[Score:2 Funny]
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archangel_2
said @ 3:28am GMT on 3rd Nov
I swear at god - that just keeps getting funnier the more I watch it! |
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brat#3
said @ 3:47am GMT on 3rd Nov
It's a metaphor! ... |
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archangel_2
said @ 3:51am GMT on 3rd Nov
not a simile? ... |
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brat#3
said @ 3:54am GMT on 3rd Nov
Definitely not. But it could be an allegory, I suppose. |
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cb361
said @ 9:25pm GMT on 3rd Nov
Naw. It's some sort of strange tailless kangaroo. |
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CapnSilver
said @ 4:07am GMT on 3rd Nov
So what happens if Brat#3 is the "winner" of the lynch with all the other dudes running around? |
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flying_cannibal
said @ 7:47am GMT on 3rd Nov
Caesar's death can only occur when Caesar is vulnerable. Remove the nest, and the eagle can fall. So i guess if you are opposed to Caesar, remove his supporters. I wait to see wether the Senate can make a decisive move. |
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Context
said @ 7:57am GMT on 3rd Nov
I suppose I can speak for the Senate, since I was elected publicly, and can afford nightly protection. The Senate looks to eliminate Caesar. To eliminate Caesar, they must eliminate the Praetorian, and Octavian. Caesar did not come forward out of love of the people, Caesar came into public view because Caesar owns an army. Yes, it will be difficult to get to her. Just as difficult as eliminating the Senate. But, if you choose to support a tyrant, it will be the last choice you are able to make. |
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brat#3
said @ 10:17pm GMT on 3rd Nov
I'm disappointed. I had hoped you would be more circumspect in your actions, I was obviously wrong. Or perhaps you were already a senator when I appointed you? I have never claimed to be invulnerable, and it is not the case. Yes, you must first remove my loyal guards. But how to guards show their loyalty? My coming forth on the first day was with their permission, as it placed them at risk, not me. Since then I have put up with spurious reports of my scheming nature, playing for favour while safe within my camp. Enough, already. If you want to insult me, fine. But do it on fact, not allegation. And as for your last statement, please, show some originality. I tire of the semantic discussion on the meaning of tyrant, and if that is all you have then I hope the public will see the weakness of your stance. I had hoped, for their sakes and for the sake of the people of Rome that you would honour my request to inform the people of their newly appointed Senators. If you do not, I cannot spare them as I will not know which were not a part of the Original Senate where my grievance lies. By remaining silent you condemn them to the same fate. I will not be wasting my men on you, though it seems no one is available at this point to carry out protections on behalf of citizens with means. Your appointments are finished as of the end of today. However, your decision to work in the interests of a closeted Senate and not for the Roman people displeases me greatly. I did not ask for you to support me. It is to them you should apologise. |
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Context
said @ 7:22am GMT on 4th Nov
The Senators are elected of the people, and they remain for the people. You appointed me, Caesar, to select the replacement Senators. Have faith in your decisions that I have elected members I feel would serve the people well. What would it serve, to let you know who the Senate members are? |
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brat#3
said @ 7:27am GMT on 4th Nov
I would know to leave those senators alone. That's it. Nothing scary. |
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Context
said @ 7:37am GMT on 4th Nov
I would reveal one Senator, today, in exchange for a simple show of good faith, the reveal of one of your Praetorian. |
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brat#3
said @ 7:43am GMT on 4th Nov
Revealing the name to me of someone I will not kill in exchange for someone the senate most definitely will does not seem a like for like swap. |
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Context
said @ 5:10am GMT on 5th Nov
What incentive would I have for giving them up? |
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brat#3
said @ 6:21am GMT on 5th Nov
It would keep them alive? If there's something else you want, I'm afraid you will not find it here. I will not bribe you. If you are comfortable to risk their lives with your silence it is your choice. |
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shizac
said @ 6:24am GMT on 5th Nov
psssst, offer puppies. And apparently some people want unicorns too. Senators, Caesar has offered puppies. What will you offer? |
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Context
said @ 6:10am GMT on 7th Nov
You'll find out at the orgy. |
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brat#3
said @ 6:11am GMT on 7th Nov
Small penises? |
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CapnSilver
said @ 8:32am GMT on 3rd Nov
Thats not what I asked. Does nothing happen? does a praetorian die? |
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flying_cannibal
said @ 5:10am GMT on 4th Nov
I will consult the gods on your behalf, perhaps soon if Context's threats are realised. How do you want your question answered? Would you prefer a positive or negative answer? I am guessing at the moment a lynch vs Caesar will not kill himself, but a praetorian will suffer the fate meant for him. A night kill vs Caesar is uncertain, anyone want to own up for trying one? |
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taiga
said @ 6:25am GMT on 4th Nov
I think the senate's attempted night kill would suggest that the Praetorians will automatically protect Caesar. |
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Hipatitis!
said @ 10:46am GMT on 3rd Nov
Oh yes, everyone comment when I'm NOT here. :p |
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Hipatitis!
said @ 10:46am GMT on 3rd Nov
Before you get any ideas, that was OOC. |
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shizac
said @ 4:33am GMT on 4th Nov
Who here can actually confirm Brat is Caesar? Because I'm gonna throw out a crazy theory here (and I have my reasons which I'll disclose below). I think that Brat is one of Caesar's guards and is going public to keep the real Caesar as behind the scenes as possible. Unless someone can point me to something that proves Brat is Caesar, because I seem to recall everyone just accepting it as fact. I've been holding my tongue on this but tonight I'll be using my savings as protection and then Day/Night 5 is my splodey time, so I feel a little safer coming out with this theory right now. |
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brat#3
said @ 7:12am GMT on 4th Nov
Sorry to disappoint, but the day III story made it pretty clear I'm telling the truth. |
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shizac
said @ 7:16am GMT on 4th Nov
Brat, you little minx, Aids actually just corroborated that. So I apologize to you and everyone else. And also apologize that I apparently haven't been paying that close attention. Back to cooking up other conspiracy theories and trying to decide who can help me the most, Senate or Caesar? |
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shizac
said @ 8:16am GMT on 4th Nov
Since I've been told my conspiracy theory was wrong and that I have to go another route with my voting, I have a few things I'd like to say. I think the orgy should be voted a yes, with the option that people who don't want to participate don't have to. I also want a faction to start courting me. Senators, Caesar, what can you do for me, the standard Rome citizen. I want puppies. I want candy. I'm not asking for unicorns here. What can you do to make me happy. Taxes aren't going to be an issue in a day, so what else can you offer? The Gods and the Mob demand you give something more, MOAR I say, what can either "power" group offer that should make me vote you into power? I want a puppy, what do other Romans want?! |
brat#3
said @ 8:23am GMT on 4th Nov
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shizac
said @ 8:27am GMT on 4th Nov
well Senate....Caesar has come out swinging, that's gonna be a hard one to top. |
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HPew
said @ 12:11pm GMT on 4th Nov
awwwww... |
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DeadSilent
said @ 4:14pm GMT on 4th Nov
Ceasar used to think I was pretty nifty *sniffles* |
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brat#3
said @ 9:23pm GMT on 4th Nov
I still do! *sniff* |
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spite48
said @ 5:11pm GMT on 4th Nov
I want unicorns. |
brat#3
said @ 9:23pm GMT on 4th Nov
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spite48
said @ 7:57am GMT on 5th Nov
That is only one unicorn. |
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cb361
said @ 12:37am GMT on 6th Nov
Is that Doctor Horrible? |
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brat#3
said @ 12:56am GMT on 6th Nov
Yes. Yes it is. On his trusty steed, MurderDeathSpikeMare. |
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Dr.DeadSilent
said @ 12:39am GMT on 7th Nov
Harold and Kumar Escape Gitmo. |
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Stension
said @ 3:19pm GMT on 5th Nov
While I cannot speak for either Caesar or Senate, I am a man of the people. With that in mind, I offer.... Ice cream! Kittens! ![]() 1 more unicorn! (+ naked elf) |
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Stension
said @ 3:20pm GMT on 5th Nov
Lets try this again Ice cream! (+asians with phones) |
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juju
said @ 4:23pm GMT on 4th Nov
Okay, there are two people I'm thinking of going between today. Although I'm tempted to go after archangel_2, but I don't know that a Praetorian would be so blatant (double bluff?) coochorama42 First day shenanigans of the tie vote. Both he and spite48 were some of the late piling on for Stratafyre, perhaps to protect the Praetorian Seneki (seriously Senators, what have you been basing your guesses on? Just out of curiosity.) He was also one of the first to complain about Senators not being in the open, which would just lead to their deaths. Throws a lot of discussion in on first day talking about how Caesar coming forward makes him want to support her if the Senate does not come forward (perhaps trying to sway people to believe that is the test of which side we should support?) Second day, no comments other than the vote. Day 3, revenge votes gmg. Context makes a comment about this vote that strikes me as interesting: "So, you react defensively to someone who cast a little suspicion on you, and then you undermine what you did to defend yourself, but hiding your intentions further?" Again comes out saying that we need the senate in the open more, although says he would serve either. The argument about the Senate being open I believe is one that is made to bring them out to be killed, as I have stated repeatedly. Says he has voted no vote in a way to get a role. Perhaps true... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ spite48 Day 1 shenanigans as well, tipping the vote for Stratafyre over Seneki (Praetorian) right before sn1per came back and tipped it to a tie again. Could be the idea of trying to save a guard even if not very subtle. Originally voted for archangel_2. Says that he would change vote to prevent a double lynch, but asks why brat is asking for it not to be Seneki. ----Frankly, this is suspicious only in that he tried to break the tie away from Seneki, but may have been the action of someone who was confused about whether trusting Caesar would be good. I don't know if a guard would bring so much discussion to the matter. Day 2 suggests that we could lynch those who have chosen sides early in order to punish their brazenness. Interesting proposition, and one not likely to be made by someone who has chosen a side yet as far as I can see. Day 3 votes for brat, then changes to Capn. More random stuff that I'm too lazy to put down. So, in conclusion, in looking for possible guards, I looked at those who were near the end of the voting on the day we lynched a guard. Out of those two one seems to me to be an actual undecided citizen (spite48) and the other an unknown with possible Caesarist leanings. I'm not casting my vote at the moment, although I can say that I am anticipating having more time to look over the information soon. |
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juju
said @ 4:25pm GMT on 4th Nov
Actually, looking over it I don't know that I'd vote for either of these two at this time. I don't want to just chuck a dart in the dark hoping to hit my target. But I will spend a little time thinking this over further and time permitting throwing up some more possibilities if anyone cares. |
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juju
said @ 4:35pm GMT on 4th Nov
P.S. obviously I continue to support the removal of Caesar. The calling of martial law just makes my choice all the more clear. |
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spite48
said @ 5:08pm GMT on 4th Nov
I do feel that I have acted more randomly in this than I would have preferred. I also regret that I have not had the ability to conduct the analysis which is usually required to make a meaningful contribution. I'm normally a much more active participant, but two things have held me back. One, I'm not really clear on the best course of action. My current strategy is to wait and see what I can learn, and which faction dominates the next few days before choosing an allegiance. I'd also be open to letting the senate and Casar factions eliminate each other. Two, with a new baby at home, I'm tired and therefore cranky. I've been much more, um, unpleasant in my communication than I normally am, and I've actually drafted probably half a dozen posts that I canceled out of a concern that I was being unfair or unusually mean. |
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spite48
said @ 5:28pm GMT on 4th Nov
It occurs to me that at least some of the senators and praetorian guards are likely hiding in plain sight. That is to say that some of the citizens who have professed to be normal members of the roman mob who have selected an allegiance could be senators or praetorian guards. That could mean that Archangel_2 is a guard, and you yourself are a senator. It would be a risky move, because you are exposed to assassination, but it does provide each faction with more vocal supporters who might be able to sway a vote. The reason I suspect you of being a senator is that you are too shrewd a player to needlessly declare an allegiance and expose yourself to risk. |
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juju
said @ 1:54am GMT on 5th Nov
The reason I suspect you of being a senator is that you are too shrewd a player to needlessly declare an allegiance and expose yourself to risk. That would be what I would do if I were a Senator and came out as such a strong supporter of them. The only downside of exposing yourself to risk is if you are someone important. I know I am disposable to a cause I care for, hence my reckless support of it. When I am someone important I do not make risky moves as a matter of course. As I said when I came forward with a position, I merely am coming forward with my convictions. Well, that and I wanted this game to get picked up and people to start doing something interesting already. I believe brat was so comfortable with me being out in the open and being sure that I was not a Senator because of some kind of possible investigator in her camp (if I recall right Octavian has a "special night action") which turned me up as what I am--boring old Nobility. |
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brat#3
said @ 2:06am GMT on 5th Nov
Sorry, not the case. I just believed you. |
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juju
said @ 2:13am GMT on 5th Nov
Well then you're a good judge of character, since I was not lying to you. I'm not foolish enough to put myself out in such a dangerous position if I were actually important. |
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brat#3
said @ 10:23pm GMT on 4th Nov
*WARNING* *WARNING* *LARGE WALL OF TEXT* *WARNING* I’ve been meaning to do this for awhile, so I’m sorry for the delay. I thought maybe my role as I knew it had changed too much for this to be possible, but I see now this isn’t the case- that thankfully, not everyone has given up on me because of that one, pesky label. I’ve heard that you want vision, that you want to know where I see Rome headed, what direction I would intend for Her and Her people. How I would lead you should you place your trust in me. I hear that you want to know what I would offer you in exchange for your support. Here is my vision. A STRONGER, BRIGHTER ROME 1. COMMUNITY, LOYALTY, SERVICE I propose a new scheme whereby workers and those seeking Roman citizenship can participate in Rome’s growth in either of two ways: Firstly, they can pledge themselves to a term of military service of at least one year. You will be fully trained, housed, have access to treatment and a healthy wage. You will be charged with protection of Rome’s borders and will be the cornerstone of Rome’s Empire. Rome is at peace, but we need to be vigilant and trained in order to meet any future threats to her lands. This is not a draft, but your service to your country will be rewarded. Or, they can join a comprehensive work force to help in building Public works and improving infrastructure such as roads, aqueducts to channel water through the Empire, public baths and arenas for entertainment. Again, you will receive a fair daily wage and access to accommodation if required. After this term is complete, non citizens will have earned through their hard work and loyalty the right to be full Roman citizens. Workers or applicants who wish to participate will earn a substantial tax cut at the end of the term and be eligible for first land buyers subsidies, that you may grow your families and your own businesses with your new skills. Those that have achieved citizenship may participate again in order to qualify for the first land buyer subsidy. THE ECONOMY Times may be hard, but Rome is a beacon to the rest of the world. I believe stimulating growth is paramount. As well as utilising our work force to create public works to improve tourism and quality of life, and also to improve infrastructure for business- I want to make it easier for Romans to start their own businesses and be able to take on employees. Thus, a tax break for anyone who takes on an employee or apprentice for no less than one year. WORKERS RIGHTS: I wish to enforce a maximum 10 hour work day, with lunch break. Workers are not required to work on public holidays, feast days, festivals without compensation. Workers are the backbone of our economy, and shall have access to clean water, shade and safe working conditions. HEALTHCARE Every Roman citizen will be eligible for one free day per month at the Roman baths. Also, in each region a clinic will be set up for the treatment of common ailments and for screening of disease. THE SENATE The Senatorial elections must be made fair and accountable. Every two years each Hill will hold nominations within its own region; these candidates will then be voted on within their district by all citizens who reside there. The Senate will meet no less than once per month and their agenda posted in the Forum no less than one week beforehand so that matters to be discussed are open to public view, and submissions can be made to the relevant Appointee if there is anything the public wish to make known. The Senate will be charged with protecting and enforcing the rights of the people. They shall have power over approving civic works, awarding contracts for construction, local by-laws, the rationing of water and resources in times of scarcity, to enforce the law and determine fair sentencing for crimes, for maintaining the size of each district, and for promoting health and hygiene standards. CAESARS ROLE I am, first and foremost, a soldier. A life of politics is not for me. I live my life based on fairness, loyalty, and justice. I shall not meddle in the day to day running of Rome, that is for your duly elected Senate. Instead, I shall remain where I am most qualified, at the Head of Rome’s armies. This is not a force to be used within cities, instead the Senate shall be in charge of creating a city guard for use in all Domestic disputes and maintaining the civic peace. If Rome is required to go to War, that is when I will step forward as her General. Until such time, I shall take the role of Governor General. My responsibilities will be to administer official rites as required by the Gods, to oversee the Calendar, to formally induct the Senate, and to oversee implementation of an independent Judiciary committee charged with ensuring there is no corruption within the various Governing bodies of Rome, myself included. I do not order the armies of Rome of my own accord. I shall hold myself to the same standards of fairness and justice as I expect of any of Rome’s leadership. This is my plan for Rome. All that prevents these measures becoming a reality is the will of four men- those remaining Senators that have sworn to work towards my death at all costs. It is up to you, Rome, to decide whether that happens. OOC: Sorry about the length, guys! Would you believe it's shorter than I first planned? Yeah, yeah you would. |
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brat#3
said @ 10:31pm GMT on 4th Nov
I have some more policy for later, concerning festivals, import duties and other such things. But that's more than enough for now I'm sure. |
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al_
said @ 3:30am GMT on 5th Nov
WHO CHEERS FOR ME WHILE I FIGHT ANTONY IN THE ARENA???!!! |
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brat#3
said @ 4:32am GMT on 5th Nov
I do! Thumbs up to you! (Thumbs down to Antony) |
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taiga
said @ 3:44pm GMT on 5th Nov
I CHEER FOR YOU! |
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shizac
said @ 6:48am GMT on 5th Nov
can one or the group of Senators please reply through Aids, what can you offer the populace? Caesar has offered puppies to me and unicorns to another. Do you dare offer kittens and ice cream? Seriously, let's get the ball rolling on what each group can do for us. Even more seriously...ice cream and kittens. |
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spite48
said @ 9:13pm GMT on 5th Nov
Not sure what the arguments are for eighty-six or daffyduck. Seems like people are just probing for info. Nothing wrong with that. I note that there is still time remaining, but right now my choices are to select between the two leading candidates, toss a vote at someone low in the polls, or make a triple lynch with Brat#3 (I agree with Stension that it would be good to know how that works), or juju (who supports the senate). I'm a little nervous about a quad-lynch, but if it includes juju and Brat#3, at least there will be some balance between the factions' losses. I cannot vote for both, so I'll vote for juju and I invite someone to vote for Brat#3. |
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brat#3
said @ 10:17pm GMT on 5th Nov
Still seven people left to vote, the highest vote candidates have three votes. that's just.. sigh. |
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HPew
said @ 10:21pm GMT on 5th Nov
Funny is the word you're looking for. Funny. |
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redemption
said @ 11:52pm GMT on 5th Nov
I'd go with appalling considering the longer day we've had. The least they could have done was a throw-away vote. |
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Hipatitis!
said @ 12:04am GMT on 6th Nov
Time has expired, and Dies IV has only really begun. |
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Hipatitis!
said @ 12:27am GMT on 6th Nov
[Score:1 Informative]
SUMMARY OF DIES IV Tiberius Albius Bibulus (Silent) Was a Merchant from the Caelian Hill. He was the first to die in the arena. Romulus Augustulus (Nibbon) was a Worker from the Caelian Hill. He also died by Antony's hand in the arena. Albius Flavius Crassus (al_) is currently fighting in the arena. --- Astrum Viator (Omagus23) was the Persian-Non Citizen from the Viminal Hill, and Rome had driven him to bursting. He was happy to be back in Shiraz. He lived many years, having many hundreds of fat babies, growing Shiraz into an amazing locality for wines. In a sense, he wins; officially, he does not. Promisis non Gropis (plexer) was confused. A Worker from the Quirinal Hill, he moved out to the countryside, where he lived his days as an amateur apothecary. --- LXXXVI was a Praetorian, and that's OK. He drank all night, and worked all day... Until the Roman Mob killed him. He was from the Viminal Hill. On the words of Caesar, the Mob went after Scholastica Erotica Majora (juju). Under her sexy, erotic garb were the robes of a Senator. She was a Noble from the Viminal Hill as well, leaving her money to any living members of that hill, in hopes they would remember her words over Caesar's. -- The Senate has officially banned the use of the "No Vote" in DayKill threads. "No lynch" is not allowed. In their last official action (minus the Censure's pick of the Caelian Senator), the Senate has approved an Orgy to occur on Dies V. Ladies, gentlemen, zombies, horses, ducks, frogs: Prepare for Orgy! -- 23 Remain, 22 following the conclusion of Mark Antony/Albius Flavius Crassus. Night actions! Kills, Investigations, Senate nomination, wine, etc. ON NOTICE: taiga, clavalla, cool_drool, flying_cannibal |
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Hipatitis!
said @ 12:27am GMT on 6th Nov
Also, Antony has defeated Zombie Gaius Falx Foenaria. |
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juju
said @ 12:28am GMT on 6th Nov
Ah well, I was anticipating dying much sooner anyway. Guys, get into the game, get passionate. That's the only way this awesomely planned out game will reach its "funness" potential. I feel like I've been trying to drag fun and excitement out of someone, anyone, and I'm glad some people have been a little more vocal today. Although my vocalness I'm sure is the reason for my death, I enjoyed the brief rocky ride! (Also, 2nd time lynched? Not bad!) |
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Hipatitis!
said @ 12:34am GMT on 6th Nov
I agree with everything she said. (Also, good luck later this week!) |
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daffyduck
said @ 3:21am GMT on 6th Nov
Ah. Hmm. Well, guess I didn't make it back fast enough to change my vote. On the bright side, my hangover's gone! I'm hitting the bars again tomorrow (today if you want to be technical), but that means just missing the Night phase when nothing really happens 'round here. I MIGHT have a hangover on Friday, depending on how much beer I consume, but that shouldn't keep me away from the orgy. Don't know if I'll participate, though, that deal with the dickpox is... scary. |
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Hipatitis!
said @ 10:58am GMT on 6th Nov
The SENATOR of the AVENTINE Speaks! My Fellow Romans, You have wondered, why support the Senate over Caesar? What can the Senate do for us? I tell you now, we can bring prosperity to Rome, much more than an aging war hero that is growing out of touch with the populace. We promise change! Change in the coin purses of everyone in Rome! |
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brat#3
said @ 6:35pm GMT on 6th Nov
[Score:2]
Jesus, are you guys even trying? You promise change. Small change. And after four days of SFA you say I'm out of touch with the populace? For Gods' sakes, What will you DO? Honestly, what has the senate done since the start of this game? They've fought to save their own at your expense. None of them have worked to sway a lynch away from a fellow Roman who isn't with either faction. They haven't even worked to ferret out my guard for you, and direct your movements in order to spare your lives. All I have seen from the senate is self-interest. Yes they voted on debt relief, but after three days of me not raising taxes this wasn't an issue anymore- it was put in place to help if people were in danger of defaulting, none of you were. They have a 'succession plan' for their Senate, meaning you had no part in their elections- something I tried to rectify in my open appointment of a Public Censure- as MUCH as I could do. Look, if you are happy to see this game as a game of two mason groups, why the hell should you trust that they care about you? You've waited five days- and they give you five lines of baseless propaganda ending in an empty promise. Rome deserves more. |
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assbastard
said @ 2:36am GMT on 8th Nov
I think it was meant as a joke about the american election. I mean, you wouldn't know that and all, being a *GASP!* NEW ZEALANDER! |
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DeadSilent
said @ 2:56am GMT on 8th Nov
Where is this American and New Zealand you speak of? For we are all romans, sons and daughters of the empire! |
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DefinitelyNotCb361
said @ 10:51am GMT on 8th Nov
At the Circus Maximus I've seen Christians thrown to the half-starved kiwis. It was interesting, but a bit slow. |
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Hipatitis!
said @ 1:43am GMT on 7th Nov
Dies V will be up when I return from work. Hopefully, I'll have all night actions by that time. If not... Well. Also, Dies V will be marked NSFW after ~ the first 20 hours. The orgy shall begin at that time. |
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CapnSilver
said @ 9:55am GMT on 7th Nov
I have terrible forebodings about this |