Sensible Erection | Apollo 14 astronaut is either stupid, gullible, deluded or in need of a quick buck.

Tuesday, 22 July 2008

Apollo 14 astronaut is either stupid, gullible, deluded or in need of a quick buck.

quote [ Aliens have contacted humans several times but governments have hidden the truth for 60 years, the sixth man to walk on the moon has claimed. ]

The Radio Interviews....

http://www.kerrangradio.co.uk/Article.asp?id=804160&spid=

After reading the "other interests" section of his Wikipedia page one wonders how he ever made it into the program in the first place...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Mitchell

Thumb Source:

http://www.butlersheriff.org/illegals/ (Sigh...)

[sci&tech] [by stugatz@10:40pmGMT] [+7]

Comments

Bodnoirbabe said @ 10:44pm GMT on 22nd Jul
No.

sacrelicious said @ 10:47pm GMT on 22nd Jul
well if it's in a sleazy tabloid then it must be true!

Silent said @ 11:01pm GMT on 22nd Jul
Whoa.. Sleaze? This isn't the sun, sure the DailyMail hates foreigners, the poor, liberals and provides skewered looks at reality, but you'll find no sleaze thank you!

foobar said @ 10:51pm GMT on 22nd Jul
Let the crazy old man enjoy his senescence in peace.

maryyugo said @ 11:18pm GMT on 22nd Jul [Score:1 Informative]
it's not senescence. it's the usual human gullibility and bad pattern recognition so many people seem to be born with or raised in. here's a little insight into mitchell:

"Born in Hereford, Texas, on September 17, 1930, Edgar Dean Mitchell grew up in the southwest, attending elementary school in Roswell, New Mexico, a town that would later become famous for its UFO sightings. His father was a rancher, his mother a fundamentalist Baptist."

woowoo right from the start.

"His interest in parapsychology dated from 1967, soon after his arrival at the NASA Manned Spacecraft Center in Houston. He was dissatisfied with orthodox theology and began to investigate areas of psychic phenomena and mysticism. In December 1969 Mitchell became friendly with medium Arthur Ford, who suggested an interesting ESP test from a man in a rocket to a contact on earth.

Mitchell planned a rocket-to-earth ESP test for the Apollo 14 mission, although Ford died January 4, 1971, 27 days before the mission launch (to which he had been invited as Mitchell's guest). NASA had rejected a telepathy experiment planned by the American Society for Psychical Research in 1970, so Mitchell's test was a private affair in his own rest periods. The tests involved the transmission of symbols associated with a range of chosen numbers. Eminent parapsychologists J. B. Rhine of the Foundation for Research on the Nature of Man and Karlis Osis of the ASPR offered cooperation in evaluating the test. The results of the test were ambiguous."

i bet.

from here.

no need to downmod this, just to expose it for what it is: pure nonsense from someone who *should* know better and obviously doesn't and probably never has.

foobar said @ 11:26pm GMT on 22nd Jul
Fair enough.

Silent said @ 10:52pm GMT on 22nd Jul
I find it hard to believe, I mean sure governments are opening up and all that but existence of alien life? The amount of non-disclosure you'd have to go through, this guy'd be silenced before he shook the interviewers hand.
Don't get me wrong, aliens? I won't immediately say no, I'm just questioning the validityof the article in question.

Or in the modern vernacular (alien) tits or GTFO.

warmseat said @ 11:20pm GMT on 22nd Jul [Score:1 WTF]

'I told you they'd never accept you, Greyie'

nFiend said @ 9:22pm GMT on 23rd Jul
Is this something like Girls & Corpses?

sacrelicious said @ 10:54pm GMT on 22nd Jul
THREADJACK!

meet the only artist to have walked on the moon

spazm said @ 12:57am GMT on 23rd Jul [Score:4 Funny]
Michael Jackson?

Baron666 said @ 10:54pm GMT on 22nd Jul
As I've said before. I don't care what the government either tells me or doesn't, I'll beleive in ET when I see him with my own eyes, and not on any TV show or movie.

stugatz said @ 10:57pm GMT on 22nd Jul
He isnt just your run of the mill tinfoil hat. Of all the appollo astronauts he had longest moon walk of them all at 9 hours and 17 minutes. So he had more time out there to get a sense of the neighborhood so to speak.

sacrelicious said @ 11:01pm GMT on 22nd Jul
but the lead story on the sources front page is about angelina jolie's baby. this is a tabloid. tab-loid! not a source of reliable information. hell, they probably never even talked to the guy!

stugatz said @ 11:06pm GMT on 22nd Jul
I've added a few more links to round out the man. While your criticism of the tabloid is valid his views are well known.

medyv said @ 11:09pm GMT on 22nd Jul
According to the wiki, he also believes in ESP and faith healing. He's a kook.

maryyugo said @ 11:11pm GMT on 22nd Jul
the man was an excellent pilot and astronaut. he's also been a whack job when it comes to woowoo things-- all his life.

see for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Mitchell

also look at some of the whackadoo books he's written.

stugatz said @ 11:14pm GMT on 22nd Jul
Wonder if the folks back on earth got his ESP messages during the mission?

skoob666 said @ 6:22am GMT on 23rd Jul
Every pilot I've ever known tends to be a little whackadoo. The best pilot I've ever known was a former F-4 Wild Weasel throttle-jockey and he could fly anything. He was also a devout Mormon, and he raised a whole bunch of Mormon babies and married em off at 16. Another guy I used to drink with from time to time flies A-10's for the national guard and he's the most off the wall schizoid I've ever met. And if that's not enough the craziest person I've ever known; my cousin, is training to become a Blackhawk pilot. Of course this all just one guys experience but from that limited viewpoint almost every pilot is nutjob. One exception though, I met a British Harrier pilot at an airshow once and he seemed like a really cool, mellow guy. But then again he was in public.

spite48 said @ 11:08pm GMT on 22nd Jul
I've personally spoken to hundreds of people who claim that aliens have visited them. They were all crazy. Having been an Apollo astronaut is not a defense against insanity, greed or gullibility. Besides, he was "briefed"? That just means someone told him that aliens exist.

foobar said @ 11:28pm GMT on 22nd Jul
Given his background, a pseudo-official practical joke doesn't seem unlikely.

Mr. Langosta said @ 11:14pm GMT on 22nd Jul
-1 daft bastard

He spent a day on a moon that couldn't be of any less universal significance with regards to life on other worlds, yet this action gave him some authority on "the neighborhood"?

sacrelicious said @ 11:20pm GMT on 22nd Jul
I know all about the citizens of omaha nebraska because I've visited my next door neighbors garage in portland oregon.

arctan said @ 3:50am GMT on 23rd Jul
...That's the worst logic I've ever heard.

spite48 said @ 11:05pm GMT on 22nd Jul
Headline should read:

'Apollo 14 astronaut is either stupid, gullible, deluded or in need of a quick buck.'

Extra-terrestrial life likely exists. There may even be sentient life on other worlds. It is even theoretically possible that intelligent life exists within a couple of hundred light years of Earth. However, it will be a long time yet before they have even a chance of detecting any hint of our existence.

So, I'm sorry given that every single person to claim UFO experience has been a wacko who has not been able to corroborate with physical evidence, I'm going to continue to believe that anyone advancing such a claim is a wacko until credible evidence backed by reputed scientists is available for scrutiny.

Think I'm being snowed by the government? Unlikely, and better than being snowed by some asshole who just wants attention or money from the gullible.

stugatz said @ 11:09pm GMT on 22nd Jul [Score:1 Funny]
- Headline should read:

'Apollo 14 astronaut is either stupid, gullible, deluded or in need of a quick buck.' -

DONE!

Anything else?

spite48 said @ 11:15pm GMT on 22nd Jul
I did like the thumb.

stugatz said @ 11:23pm GMT on 22nd Jul
The thumb source is a whole other can of worms....

http://www.butlersheriff.org/illegals/

maryyugo said @ 11:09pm GMT on 22nd Jul
mitchell has been an all out woowoo for a long time including before and during his astronaut days. guess he kept his beliefs in check at nasa or he would have been the butt of jokes at best (no bendovers) and thrown out at worst. he doesn't seem senile-- just credulous and/or deluded. he also believes, as do most ufo nut jobs, in "psychic" phenomena and the "paranormal", whatever the hell those are.

the beliefs wouldn't prevent him from doing his job as a pilot-- they are kept in what a friend of mine dubbed "the mind's logic-tight compartment".

maryyugo said @ 11:12pm GMT on 22nd Jul
here-- let me be more explicit from the wiki:

"Mitchell's interests include consciousness and paranormal phenomena. During the Apollo 14 flight he conducted private ESP experiments with his friends on Earth. [3] In early 1973, he founded the nonprofit Institute of Noetic Sciences (IONS) to conduct and sponsor research into areas that mainstream science has ignored, including consciousness research and psychic events.

As well as academic papers,[4], Mitchell has written two books: Psychic Exploration: A Challenge for Science (ISBN 0-399-11342-8) and The Way of the Explorer (ISBN 1-57270-019-X). In The Way of the Explorer, Mitchell proposed a dyadic model of reality.[5] ... Mitchell has publicly expressed his opinions that he is "90 per cent sure that many of the thousands of unidentified flying objects, or UFOs, recorded since the 1940s, belong to visitors from other planets"[7] and that UFOs have been the "subject of disinformation in order to deflect attention and to create confusion so the truth doesn't come out."[8] In 2004 he told the St. Petersburg Times that a "cabal of insiders" inside the US Government were studying recovered alien bodies, and that this group had stopped briefing US Presidents after John F. Kennedy.[9] He has said, that "We all know that UFOs are real, now the question is, where they come from." [10]

Mitchell says that a teenage remote healer who lives in Vancouver and uses the pseudonym Adam Dreamhealer, helped heal him of kidney cancer at a distance. Mitchell said that while he never had a biopsy (the definitive test for cancer), "I had a sonogram and MRI that was consistent with renal carcinoma." Adam worked (distantly) on Mitchell from December of 2003 until June of 2004, when the "irregularity was gone and we haven't seen it since." [11]

mwoody said @ 11:24pm GMT on 22nd Jul [Score:1 Insightful]
It's an awful source but the content appears to be true. It's mildly interesting to see an astronaut holding such strange views, so I don't think this deserves to get modded off the front page.

badger said @ 11:27pm GMT on 22nd Jul
if you believe in alien contact and the paranormal..
psychically raise my right hand now....

warmseat said @ 11:32pm GMT on 22nd Jul
Bend over and I'll show you something rising

mkylis said @ 11:44pm GMT on 22nd Jul
I am sure that we are alone in the universe - if anyone else was out there Bush'ed be bombing them by now.

TM said @ 1:10am GMT on 23rd Jul
Mitchell is not the only Apollo astronaut who believes some rather incredible things. James Irwin, LEM pilot on Apollo 15, spent a lot of time and money searching for Noah's Ark on various Turkish mountaintops.

maryyugo said @ 2:07am GMT on 23rd Jul
well, they're not all woowoo's-- in fact mostly not. it's the weirdoes that stand out. and not all the stories told about the astronauts are true. buzz aldrin embarrassed larry king a while back by squashing the claims of king's favorite ufo "experts" on the same show. said aldrin:

"ALDRIN: A lot of people have said things that I saw, but that doesn't mean that I saw it. " and

"KING: In your years of flying, have you seen strange things?

ALDRIN: I was flying a T-33 I guess and I looked out and I saw a star out there. But it wasn't a star, it was Venus. But it kept following me all along. And you would swear that it's another object out there. And you can turn -- and I want to congratulate you on your magic show last night, with all the illusions, because now we're getting a lot more illusions tonight. And can you explain everything that happened with Criss Angel last night? No, you can't explain it."

from: here.

todde said @ 1:46am GMT on 23rd Jul
I can tell you that we absolutely positively have not been visited by aliens, at least not in any way that has come to the attention of the government. I wish it were true. I dearly wish we had long-term contact with several extra-terrestrial space-faring species.

But we don't.

Here's how I know...

If we had the space program would not be the shambles it is now. LEO (Low Earth Orbit) would be completely militarized. We'd have permanent bases on the moon and probably orbital fortresses around frickin' Pluto.

And it wouldn't just be independent efforts by the US, Russia, China and the EU. If there's one thing that can make human beings agree to bury the hatchet it's the chance to bury it in some outsider's skull. The lion wouldn't just lay down with the lamb, the Nazis would be saying hailing coal-Black Africans and hook-nosed Yids like yours truly with a friendly "Bruder Weiss!"

velvetunderpants said @ 2:27am GMT on 23rd Jul
Well, first off, space has become militarized via the "Star Wars" program. Secondly, how is it that you know that we don't have a secret base on the moon? Would such a thing be acknowledged if it were in the "black budget" group of operations? The answer is no, it would not. Unless you are a military intelligence officer with a level of clearance which would allow you access to such information, there is no way that you could possibly know what you claim to know.

Also, if we have been contacted by ET, it is a given that their technology is far superior to ours. How else could they have gotten here? That being true, it would be foolish to try to assume some sort of military posture against such a force. As the Borg say, it would be futile.

todde said @ 3:14am GMT on 23rd Jul
The SDI/Star Wars programs have mostly had spectacular failures and disappointingly slim successes. And they are wildly politically unpopular through most of the world. If there were confirmed alien intelligences and provable contact that would no longer be the case. As the clannish, xenophobic violent types we are we would be much more interested in the external threat. It wouldn't even matter if they were overwhelmingly superior. Our tendency is to pick up whatever we have and point it outside the circle.

The militarization of space other than surveillance has been pretty scant so far as we know. It was front page news when the Chinese managed to knock down a satellite. It was a cause for orgasmic ecstasy in the Pentagon when the n-th attempt to hit a satellite with a tracker and a beacon was successful. Maybe it's all a carefully constructed plot to make the world's militaries seem particularly inept. I'm betting not.

Huge secret reservoirs of aerospace technology? I don't think so. Some of it would have spilled over into the civilian world or into non-classified government programs. At the very least we'd see a lot more development of propulsion systems in the last few decades. NASA would have bigger better boosters. At the very least if there had been that much clandestine activity there would have been technology transfer that would have fixed the foam insulation problems.

ckfahrenheit said @ 10:52am GMT on 23rd Jul

...maybe the aliens body-snatched teh government

arteitle said @ 1:54am GMT on 23rd Jul
It's absurd that they used that "Alien Autopsy" photo without even mentioning that it was staged.

velvetunderpants said @ 2:11am GMT on 23rd Jul
Edgar Mitchell, Dr. Story Musgrave, and Gordon Cooper are all astronauts who claim that they have seen ET craft. These men have no good reason to lie. Therefore, it is up to those who don't believe to try and discredit them by saying that they are delusional, stupid, etc. Being stupid won't get you into the space program. Being a Freemason might help get you in. If you're an ex-Nazi SS rocket scientist (Von Braun), you are definitely in.

Enormous amounts of evidence exists as proof that these things are real. Hell, they flew right over the capitol building in 1952. You can watch the film of the incident here: 1952

As far as delusions go, if you think that investigating "psychic phenomenon" is crazy, you might want to direct some of your scorn towards the CIA. The CIA funded research into "remote viewing" and other psychic experiments for over 20 years. Read more here: CIA

spite48 said @ 2:50am GMT on 23rd Jul
That's just an appeal to authority. Believe what you like, but don't try to shift the burden of proof away from the crazy people. I'm sorry but a person positing the absurd has the burden of proof, regardless of their qualifications.

Please note that UFO means unidentified flying object, which does not mean alien spacecraft. There are lots of flying objects which have not been identified because they represent rare atmospheric effects, secret or experimental military aircraft, or anything else which happens to be in the air, and is seen but not identified by the observer.

That dubious over-dubbed footage of Truman doesn't suggest anything other than "Sometime things are seen in the air, and observers don't get a good identification on them."

Of course the government covers up what they actually are, if they are secret or experimental aircraft. They're secret for crying out loud.

Tirade said @ 4:09am GMT on 23rd Jul [Score:1 Insightful]
Intelligence and the ability to believe the most insane claptrap imaginable have never been mutually exclusive.

maryyugo said @ 4:42am GMT on 23rd Jul
for sure. claptrapability seems to be genetically programmed. people seem selective about which brand they buy though... some purchase the whole inventory while others are much more selective. and then there are the schlockmesters like george noori and art bell. it's pretty disgusting.

ckfahrenheit said @ 11:02am GMT on 23rd Jul

relm said @ 10:14pm GMT on 26th Jul

JOECAM said @ 5:11am GMT on 23rd Jul

maryyugo said @ 9:15am GMT on 23rd Jul
now you laugh but someday, all too soon, if your neighbors let you live long enough, you or your squeeze (or both) will resemble this image.

insanemonkey said @ 10:23am GMT on 23rd Jul
once again you wipe the smile off my face

maryyugo said @ 7:23pm GMT on 23rd Jul
help is at hand (so to speak). also there's jeff dunham and walter.

pleaides said @ 7:01am GMT on 23rd Jul [Score:1 Funny]
Quick story;

Age eleven, first overseas trip with my Dad. Arrived in Heathrow from Sydney, just blithely following the old man around the arrivals area until we arrived at something like the visa section, and there were signs about the place directing folks to the right queue.

Fuck me sideways if there wasn't a queue for ALIENS!!!! My eleven year old self shat itself and proceeded to freak right out. I ran and hid.

That story still goes around the dinner table at least once per annum, still gets a laugh seventeen years on.

I like stories.

utah said @ 2:52pm GMT on 23rd Jul
I love how people say that the US Government are keeping extra-terrestrial visitors secret. If so, it's the first secret they managed to keep for any length of time. The Pearl Harbour "Purple" decrypts, Watergate, Iran-Contra, the Stealth Bomber, Abu Ghraib, the NSA, School of the Americas, Carnivore, Echelon, Bill's Blowjob.... Seriously, this guy's claiming we've had contact with aliens since shortly after Prescott Bush was caught trading with the Nazis, around about the time of Operation Paperclip, and yet somehow it's still secret.

foobar said @ 9:19pm GMT on 23rd Jul
But it's not secret, the reptilians have been exposed for years!

ring riot said @ 4:30am GMT on 24th Jul
Mitchell's NASA biography:

http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/mitchell-ed.html

To make light of his statement is absurd.

Joe_Luma said @ 10:52am GMT on 24th Jul
JFK was actually a robot, the assassination was actually just the alien in his head deciding to leave after winning the election. space alien thrusters can only be constructed on the dark side of the moon at zero gravity on leap years and disintegrate when exposed to rap music. tin foil hats actually amplify my brain waves into brain tsunamis... beware my wang!