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Wednesday, 9 May 2007
quote [ "Jane Coslaw: In the make believe stories a man becomes a werewolf only when the moon is full. Maybe somehow it's different. Maybe he's like this all the time. Only as the moon gets fuller...
Marty Coslaw: The guy gets wolfier. " ] Thumble used to be a soldier. He had seen many a battle, and had gutted many men with his sword.
[by Kimota@12:06amGMT] [+10 Hot Pr0n] But his guts were intact. He had survived the night. solitude was the town's blacksmith. A blacksmith without clients was useless. Maybe he could be more useful as food. But he wasn't. He had survived. v21 was not a bad priest. He was caring and kind, and barely ever used the secrets obtained in cofession to blackmail villagers. Maybe his belief in the afterlife would be a consolation in death. However, he wasn't in need of that belief right now. He had survived. The three of them were standing on a grain field, looking at Jestyr's mangled corpse. "Sorry, Jestyr, but we have no time to bury you" they said. "We'll avenge you, though. We swear." The night was approaching, and it was going to be a full moon. Three men looked at each other. One o them was a wolf, and two of them would have to find and kill him. The final day starts. THE CAST thumble, an old warrior solitude, the blacksmith v21, the town's priest THREE PLAYERS LEFT *Non-players, please, refrain from commenting strategy* |
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Kimota
said @ 12:08am GMT on 9th May
[Score:2 Informative]
VOTES! FRESH VOTES! GET YOUR VOTES HERE! |
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thumble
said @ 1:01am GMT on 9th May
I vote to lynch v21! Say your prayers. |
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v21
said @ 1:21am GMT on 9th May
[Score:1 Interesting]
Dude, you just lost us the game. Really and truly you did. Solitude is the alpha wolf. Jestyr was only suspicious of me because I said this about LeaveMeAlone's questioning: "v21 said @ 1:04am on 4th May - moderate/reply Which apparently muddied the waters. I still think those were decent questions to ask. Here, I'll go quote happy, as I can't think of any arguments that won't make me look less suspicious. To Capn, around the time of the second day:
From Capn:
To Capn:
From Capn:
To Capn: Arrg! So i got your PM and I was like, no, but that seems interesting, and then I was getrting caught up, and then I remembered that I'm at a computer because I have coursework in for a few hours time. So, no, though I have played mafia once before, in real life. From Capn:
To Capn:
From Capn:
To Capn:
So yeah, vote solitude. He must be the wolf. |
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solitude
said @ 1:26am GMT on 9th May
No you are the alpha!. I can cite similar conversations I've had with thumble, capnsilver and others. I won't because I don't think it's necessary (if required thumble, I'll post relevant posts here). I think you are just grasping at straws at the moment to try to convince someone of what you are not. |
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v21
said @ 1:42am GMT on 9th May
Duh I'm grasping at straws! The stakes are the same whether I'm wolf or villager - a grisy death and defeat for my side. What's your point? |
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solitude
said @ 1:52am GMT on 9th May
Exactly the same actually. It's just that I know you are the alpha, and I think thumble does too, so I guess I'm less worried. I just hope you don't convince him otherwise or else thumble dies tonight and we've lost. I admire your trying to encriminate me by killing off jestyr though. If you'd killed me instead you wouldn't have half as much persuasive power as you have now. |
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thumble
said @ 2:06am GMT on 9th May
I'm half tempted to turn the tables just to see what rhetoric you use in your defence. v21 isn't very effective. He hasn't even addressed the reason that I voted for him. Just throwing around hypothetical situations. I require something more substantial. Fact is I trust you more than him mainly because Nick apologised to you. Probably shouldn't be counted as solid evidence strictly speaking since he was, well, dead at the time, but it doesn't sound like a ploy and I don't think he'd publicly apologise to a fellow wolf. |
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v21
said @ 2:30am GMT on 9th May
I haven't because I really ought to be revising for the exam I have in an hour or two. I've kind of been sniping on the edges defending myself against solitudes attacks, which are easier to deflect because they're not very substantial either. |
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v21
said @ 2:59am GMT on 9th May
I'm off for my exam. Wish me luck. |
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solitude
said @ 3:05am GMT on 9th May
At the moment v21 is (understandibly) just clutching at straws. Trying to post everything here that would make his innocence more likely. One should consider that everything is leading up to this point. Which people get killed, because of what they say, how they react. etc. etc. v21's silence for most of the game, and suddenly becoming very active and loud... jestyr's death after he implicated me, just to be able to make a convincing argument against me... posting conversations with capnsilver which resemble those I've had with remiq, but which contain little information other than that they talked strategy. probably everything in there is a diversion, and probably he did so to gain information about thorners and the protector... remember several people have suggested a leak somewhere, because as soon as thorners and protector started dieing not one innocent was killed until the seer was dead... So that is for reasons why he IS alpha. Reasons why I am not: I have actively suggested methods of finding wolves which I believe could have been efficient. In good faith I have confided in remiq and given up all my information in an effort to find them. I'm just sorry almost none others did the same, or else it probably wouldn't have gotten this far... Also I have PM'd with you thumble. I warned you that a post of yours had uncovered the seer. I did so not in public to prevent attracting the wolves attention, but privately, to which you responded by having capnsilver publicly distrust you. I told you I thought based on his post either CapnSilver or LeaveMeAlone was seer. I just bet on the wrong horse at that point. I know v21 is wolf, because i know both you and I are not. Further I have actively tried to help the townsmen at several points eventhough that would have been terrible for the wolves' cause. Also I haven't made many substantial claims to why v21 is alpha before this, mainly because naturally to me it's obvious he is, and because I hadn't needed to. |
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v21
said @ 6:08am GMT on 9th May
Thumble's reason I can understand, but all your accusations are piss-weak. "Remember several people have suggested a leak somewhere" : Yeah. That was me. If you're accusing me of being the leak, why would I be the only one going on about how there was one? "v21's silence for most of the game, and suddenly becoming very active and loud..." : That's just how I roll. I'm a pretty lurk-ey kinda guy. Why am I posting like mad here? Because it's obviously necessary for me to argue for us to win the game. Anyway, in case you forget, I had exams until half an hour ago. "posting conversations with capnsilver which resemble those I've had with remiq, but which contain little information other than that they talked strategy. probably everything in there is a diversion, and probably he did so to gain information about thorners and the protector" : Do they? I wouldn't know, I haven't seen them. I didn't get much info from capn, because I didn't push for any. We stopped talking before the game became really interesting. In any case, they seem uncharacteristic for a wolf - giving the other team winning strategy, and then not utilizing my advantage. It may well have turned out to a mistake - capn trusted me, and so didn't seer me. Which leaves me unconfirmed and arguing. "jestyr's death after he implicated me, just to be able to make a convincing argument against me": Would be a devious plan, and one I'd be proud of. But it simply makes more sense for you to have done it. "I have confided in remiq and given up all my information in an effort to find them." I gave all I had to give. Which wasn't much, but all I got told was "You're innocent. Beware of the wolves!" And it's a bad thing for me and a defense for you. Thumble, his arguments aren't so hot. Mine neither, I suppose. Hope you change your mind. |
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v21
said @ 6:12am GMT on 9th May
PS I'm off to the pub. |
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solitude
said @ 6:44am GMT on 9th May
Perhaps they aren't as good as one would hope. But it isn't for nothing you have survived this long. You've done very little to draw attention, so there is very little to directly pin on you. The same goes the other way around. You can't make any more good accusations because I'm innocent. Why that would be you talking about a link? because it was bound to turn up sometime, and you might be implicated, so you thought that would be the best way to shrug off suspicion. Well to me it doesn't make more sense. You were on a dying mans list, I wasn't, why wouldn't I kill anyone that could be confirmed as innocent. It'd be much better to end this round with two uncomfirmed people than with only one. That'd make my chances better at least, since both unverifieds would much easier kill another unverified. I gave up all information to remiq, and that is not a good defense per se, because that could have been misinformation. That's why it's not a good defense for you. My defense is that I thought up a reasonably feasible plan to find wolves, which would have been very bad for me if I actually was a wolf. Agreed, both arguments aren't the best one could hope for, mainly because there's not much on either of us (which is why we're still alive). However your's are just a tad shakier than mine. |
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thumble
said @ 8:36am GMT on 9th May
Don't oversell your case, sol. I'm on your side at this point. You're never gonna convince v21 so it's in your best interest to shut up and let justice run its course. The one thing that puzzles me is that I'm still alive. I should have been killed the night that I revealed I was in contact with the seer. And then when I revealed myself to be the last remaining Thorn. Surely a werewolf would know how being a part of a conspiracy means that I have more information than most. So why would I be left alive? Why Avid and Jestyr before me? Unless the werewolf was certain he'd have my support at the end... |
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solitude
said @ 10:25am GMT on 9th May
As to your questions I don't know. But i'll take your advice and shut up now :) The wait however is agonizing, and you can't blame me for worrying v21 might somehow convince you after all. So I'll trust on justice and REALLY shut up now ;) |
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thumble
said @ 2:09am GMT on 9th May
I'm not voting for you because Jestyr was suspicious of you. Although that's rather telling that you're concerned about that. If he was alive right now you imagine he'd be voting to lynch you too? Probably best for you that he's dead. Convenient. |
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v21
said @ 2:51am GMT on 9th May
What? It was the only argument put against me at the time. And it's quite possible that he'd be voting to lynch me. I admit - I am in a suspicious position. I was never checked by capn, and solitude was. |
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solitude
said @ 1:12am GMT on 9th May
I vote to lynch v21 -- Final I know thumble to be innocent. And I know myself to be so. |
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solitude
said @ 1:17am GMT on 9th May
by the way kimota: + a million irony for this |
v21
said @ 12:22am GMT on 9th May
Jestyr said @ 8:25am on 8th May - moderate/reply Which is suspicious, because he's not dead to argue that case right now. Also, he was an innocent, so his suspicions were honest suspicions. But most dammingly, thumble is a Thorner, and I know I'm innocent. I vote to lynch solitude. |
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Deadstyr
said @ 12:41am GMT on 9th May
Now let's be fair. I also tried to kill you a few times, and those were honest suspicions too! |
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Deadstyr
said @ 12:43am GMT on 9th May
ps, I know it's a shit name, all the cool dead monsters are already being used as names. |
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v21
said @ 12:49am GMT on 9th May
Oi! No speaking from beyond the grave! |
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Deadstyr
said @ 5:00am GMT on 9th May
Oh! That is to say, then, *rustle around in own effluvia and viscera* |
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solitude
said @ 1:19am GMT on 9th May
I understand why you killed Jestyr though. He implicated me, you thought hey I'll kill jestyr in a last ditch effort to encriminate me and get off of the good capn's deathlist. Good try, but I hope thumble will be wise enough not to fall it. |
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v21
said @ 1:30am GMT on 9th May
Yes, I did consider that you'd make that argument. But what the fuck, I'm not supposed to point out incriminating evidence? It would have been far simpler, if I was the wolf, just to kill thumble (only confirmed innocent) and then vote for you with Jestyr. Or for Jestyr with you. Assuming he's more likely to vote you, and you pick at random, that would give me over 2/3rds chance. Or leave one dude who obviously wouldn't get voted for in the game and leave a 50% chance? But this strategy wouldn't have worked for you at all. It only makes sense if you're the wolf. I know I am on the deathlist, but assuming only minor subtlety and restraint on your behalf in a time of the game when the wolves looked poised for sudden and crushing victory, you're the wolf. Basically, you got scanned, and didn't immediately give yourself away by killing capn, figuring you could do it later. And waiting was no risk to you - you weren't up for lynching, and you knew that when the seer announced then you'd come clear as a villager. |
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solitude
said @ 2:14am GMT on 9th May
You say it would be simpler for you to kill thumble instead of jestyr. But if I were wolf the same would be true. More importantly, if I were wolf, why wasn't thumble killed three days ago when he was exposed as innocent and thorner. Actually if I were wolf why wasn't he killed on day 5 when I found out he was thorner. And why after being seered didn't I kill the seer and instead left the other wolves to die, given those numbers of survivor there is no way anyone would think... oooh we can do that later. Because any night later could be the night the seer investigated another wolf. Having two wolves alive would have ended the game much earlier and would have given much better odds for the wolves. So the only reason I can think of would be if I wasn't a wolf, but the wolf was someone uninvestigated. Also I didn't expect the seer to ever announce himself. That seemed like pure suicide. What if there were more wolves left? Obviously there aren't but we had no way of knowing that at that point. Well obviously you did, but the rest of us didn't. Besides I think you're convinced you have a better chance trying to incriminate someone and getting that person killed than you have by killing an innocent and hoping the person you didn't kill still had suspicions about me. |
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v21
said @ 5:57am GMT on 9th May
Why didn't you kill him? Because you've been talking to him, and you reckoned he trusted you. Why would you kill Jestyr and not thumble? Because one might trust you, and one announced he would most likely vote for you. Why didn't you kill the seer? Because you knew it was likely he was in contact with someone else and passing along his findings. And killing him the next night would have focused suspicion on you. And, like I said, it wasn't at a critical point when you were seered - the wolves were winning comfortably. "Also I didn't expect the seer to ever announce himself. That seemed like pure suicide." "Besides I think you're convinced you have a better chance trying to incriminate someone and getting that person killed than you have by killing an innocent and hoping the person you didn't kill still had suspicions about me." : Shit man, why would you think that? Because as seen from me being in the shit and you not being in the shit, it's obviously not true. Whilst it may be true that I'm not all knowing, you can't rest an argument on the assumption that I'm a shit player. |
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remiq
said @ 12:29am GMT on 9th May
Thumble was a mole! |
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eightysix
said @ 12:33am GMT on 9th May
This has been an exciting first game. Hopefully, the other games will as good if not better. I'm hoping for the towns to win, so the 2 of them can work at repopulating the village. |
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eightysix
said @ 12:35am GMT on 9th May
P.S. Mexican standout like in reservoir dogs. |
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f00m@nB@r
said @ 4:07am GMT on 9th May
standoff |
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zombadgerbaiter
said @ 5:38am GMT on 9th May
Mexican whack out. |
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gronk23
said @ 8:18am GMT on 9th May
whackoff |
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v21
said @ 12:42am GMT on 9th May
[Score:2 Informative]
This is the tensest, most exciting thing I've ever done on SE. Better even than dangerwanking. |
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solitude
said @ 3:06am GMT on 9th May
One thing we DO agree on! Fucking awesome game. |
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v21
said @ 6:08am GMT on 9th May
What, dangerwanking? |
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Deadstyr
said @ 12:42am GMT on 9th May
[Score:2 Funny]
I died amongst the things I loved. My grain field which was fertilized with the corpses of hundreds of hookers. |
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thumble
said @ 12:59am GMT on 9th May
I think both the remaining townspeople are convinced of the truth of my membership to the Thorn Conspiracy. I expect the other two survivors to vote for one another. It seems it's up to me to provide the swing vote and determine who is lynched at the last. This is a grave decision. Allow me to summarise my thoughts at this time. On the one hand someone I've had very few dealings with, and who shows up on the seer's 'unidentified' list. On the other someone who I've been willing to trust, who has backed me up in the last few days. Then again I've just realised, perusing my PM's, that solitude was the last person CapnSilver seered before he checked gronk and came out. Perhaps declaring his innocence was premature? Perhaps there is a reason for the alpha wolf to hold off on acting upon his discovery of the seer? Perhaps I and others who trusted solitude were suckered to the very end? But what's this? It seems that remiq privately admitted to v21 on the day of Nick's reckoning that he was a Thorner. And it strikes me as interesting that after that day, every other Thorner died by cover of night. No Thorner was even proposed as a candidate for lynching. The alliance was never called upon to rescue a known human from the mob. Why? Because the wolves knew all along that it was the alliance that saved remiq, and knowing that they could target each individual that voted against remiq's lynching at night, and never need to attempt to lynch someone that they knew would not be allowed to die! I'm fairly certain my decision is made. May all those innocents who have died forgive me if I'm wrong. |
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solitude
said @ 1:22am GMT on 9th May
Also if i were the alpha I wouldn't have left a fellow wolf to die for the next day. With the low numbers it would be extremely dangerous for a wolf to let the seer live, so my guess is v21 actually didn't know that CapnSilver was the seer at that point. |
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v21
said @ 1:41am GMT on 9th May
But that doesn't make sense. All you knew was that you'd been seered by capn. You didn't know he'd find gronk the next night. You knew that leaving the seer alive was dangerous, but more dangerous would be killing him the next night, and revealing yourself. And my point is - we had no real clue who the wolves were. You still had three wolves then, only Nick had caught it. Low numbers, bollocks! |
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solitude
said @ 2:20am GMT on 9th May
With the amount of people left, and the amount of them already seered, in the game the chance of the seer finding another wolf was very very large. Well there were only a few people left. I was one and already seered, remiq was one and a thorner, thumble was one and a thorner and capnsilver was one and the seer. That drops four people from that list. So that gives a pretty damn big chance of being seered. Combine that with the fact that gronk had drawn some attention to himself over the course of the game. That made him a pretty damn good target. If I were seer I'd have seered him aswell probably. So considering that: I'd say it was pretty likely that if I knew gronk was a wolf, and was wolf myself, that I wouldn't have left him to die. |
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v21
said @ 6:12am GMT on 9th May
Like I said: I was the one saying it looked like a leak has been made. Remiq and solitude have been having all kinds of PM talk - solitude said so himself. I know those are only circumstantial arguments, but fuck, I don't know more to argue with. He admitted himself to me - I dismissed it, because it was a PM pleading for his life. *shrug* What would a villager have done different? |
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solitude
said @ 6:37am GMT on 9th May
Well a good point is that my conversations didn't start until After a bunch of thorners died. At which point I proposed an alternate way of forming a ring of trust. Only then did I contact remiq. |
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qtemo
said @ 1:37am GMT on 9th May
I'm on the edge of my seat. |
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CapnGhostly
said @ 1:45am GMT on 9th May
Oh FFS! This is getting a little nuts. I say 3 way seppuku. It's the only way to make sure there are no wolves left. |
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thumble
said @ 1:46am GMT on 9th May
But... but if I don't win who will vote to lynch the king? |
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thumble
said @ 1:47am GMT on 9th May
[Score:2 Insightful]
I wonder if the town charter would allow me to register an abstention and let the two others lynch themselves... |
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eightysix
said @ 2:11am GMT on 9th May
very canny idea. |
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qtemo
said @ 2:13am GMT on 9th May
I think you ought to go visit the in laws for the weekend, and when you come back the only one that would be left would be the Alpha. Of course, then its just a lynch party of one. |
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thumble
said @ 2:15am GMT on 9th May
Don't think I'd win in a fight to the death with an alpha werewolf I'm afraid. |
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qtemo
said @ 2:26am GMT on 9th May
Just bring the mother inlaw back with you. Fight fire with unholy fire. |
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v21
said @ 2:53am GMT on 9th May
Awesome idea! |
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v21
said @ 2:54am GMT on 9th May
Wait... Second best idea! |
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TheCooler
said @ 2:15am GMT on 9th May
I vote the horrifying death of seppukkake |
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qtemo
said @ 2:21am GMT on 9th May
This game needs a place for all the dead guys and guys that have been reading along the whole time wishing we were playing to place a vote. I'd be curious to see who most people would side with. But we would need to do it so that it wouldn't effect the game. |
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thumble
said @ 2:25am GMT on 9th May
There'd be so much temptation for the players to read what the punters were discussing. |
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qtemo
said @ 2:27am GMT on 9th May
Yeah, we'd have to message the votes to one guy and have him publish them later. |
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thumble
said @ 2:56am GMT on 9th May
In any case in my neck of the woods it's 11pm and I need 8 hours of sleep. My vote stays as is. I might check back in the morning, but the likelihood is that I'll sleep in and won't get a chance until the game is over. So I hope I've done the right thing. |
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f00m@nB@r
said @ 6:00am GMT on 9th May
[Score:-1 Troll]
i'm on tenterhooks |
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Dioxin
said @ 12:50pm GMT on 9th May
Ahahaha! Aou guys killed a townie when there were only 4 people left. |
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LefttoRot
said @ 1:03pm GMT on 9th May
I tried to warn them too. But no... they didn't listen. Oh well. I just hope I don't end up as spare parts for the Necromancer. |
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TheCooler
said @ 1:08pm GMT on 9th May
SPeaking of which, anybody seen my right pinky toe? |
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Kimota
said @ 3:54pm GMT on 9th May
[Score:4 Informative]
"It was time to end it all. Solitude and thumble dragged the priest into the church, pushed him inside his confessionary, chained the door and set fire to the wooden box. Father v21 kept on screaming for almost half an hour before he stopped. The fine chapel's wine helped the fire grow stronger. Then they took the charred remains of the holy man and cut his head off with a knife. it was the moment of truth. V21 could be a werewolf. It was almost... traditional in old wives tales to have a priest with a dark secret. Besides, he had been expertly balancing his act to survive this long, never drawing attention, not talking too much nor too little. He was a good option. Solitude was also a wonderful suspect. Taking a position of leadership among the townsfolk since the beginning, maybe coldly sacrificing one or two of his own wolf brothers for the sake of victory. He was sly enough. How about thumble? Sure, he claimed to be a Thorner, but, how certain can we be of that? Even if we are certain, who is to say that the cruel gods hadn't seen fit to place a mole among the Thorners, even if that was bending the rules? Or maybe they allowed the werewolves to "convert" somebody who had started innocent and make him his Alpha? That would make for a nice surprise twist. What happened next then? Certainly, the Necromancer could tell us, but he had been killed on his way out of town, half his face missing, the marks of strong and gigantic werewolf jaws on it, and his new servants dead by his side, if they hadn't been already. So the characters of the story themselves will be the ones telling you. To them I concede the honor. However, I must ask them not to do it right away, allowing a few hours for the members of our small audience to place their bets and make their guesses. The full moon is on the sky." |
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Barnabas_Truman
said @ 4:00pm GMT on 9th May
[Score:1 Insightful]
Well, I guess it's too late now, but I just gotta know--if thumble had abstained from voting, would v21 and solitude have lynched each other, thus leaving thumble alive and automatically winning the game? 'Cos that seems to me like it would've been the perfect strategy in this scenario. |
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gronk23
said @ 5:11pm GMT on 9th May
It WOULD have been the perfect strategy... |
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Narrenschiff
said @ 5:43pm GMT on 9th May
Here's the way I see it-- to prevent such a hilariously easy win for the villagers, if that had proceeded as you described, and thumble was the alpha, he would win automatically. If either v21 or solitude was the alpha, they would have been pitted against each other while thumble would have stayed out of it-- the alpha would have easily won, then went on to kill thumble. |
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VictorTyne
said @ 4:05pm GMT on 9th May
I honestly wouldn't be able to choose with any sort of certainty. On the one hand, the werewolf priest is always delicious irony. On the other hand, you have to wonder if Kimota is too good to be easily predicted. And, of course, if I were the GM, I'd have to bitchslap myself for that sort of metagaming... |
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foobar
said @ 4:40pm GMT on 9th May
Wait, they burned the wine? YOU BASTARDS! |
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Spectral Avid
said @ 5:35pm GMT on 9th May
WOooOOOOooOOOWooWOWOooooooooo! *chains* CLAanaaaknnakknannakankaknaknkannannak! The priest be dead; Now, our two, still left, pray neither misled, for fear, the pain of death. If the truth, they knew, bless'd they art, w' life anew, for these gentle two. But should one hold Lycanthropy A man more curs'd, ne'er there'll be, his sole consort, a banshee. |
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