Sensible Erection | SENSIBLE HOWLING

Friday, 20 April 2007

quote [ Welcome to deathcamp thirteen. ]

"The warm sunlight poured through the villager's windows, and the citizens rose slowly from their beds. Not a word was spoken to their families as they went straight to the main street, anxious to know who died during the night. But everything seemed to be all right. No screams, no blood anywhere. The only thing slightly amiss was a delicious aroma coming from badgerbaiter's farm.

Somebody went inside badgerbaiter's house, laughing. "badger!" He said. "That smells great, but isn't it a little bit too early in the morning to start cook-? Oh, gods! Oh gods!"

The only living soul who managed to watch the grisly meal the wolves had prepared with badgebaiter's flesh (And judging for the painful grimace the poor man had, he must have been alive during some of its preparation) was the necromancer, who examined the gourmet masterpiece without flinching.

"The man had a secret" He said, "But it was not lycantrophy. He was one of those Thorners. Looks like the King has got one less problem to worry about." The Necromancer said, with a dark smile, before disappearing into the woods again."

Cast:

gronk23, the town's poet
endopol, the carpenter
Context, the local drunk
~~scarshapedstar, the bailiff~~. Innocent. Lynched.
Narrenschiff, a mysterious stranger
~~BobTWC, the mayor.~~ Innocent. Lynched.
LeavemeAlone, an old retired sailor

Barnabas Truman, the innkeeper
plexer, the apothecary
Jestyr, a grain farmer
thumble, an old warrior
TheCooler, a turnip farmer
solitude, the blacksmith
~~mouse, the handyman.~~ Innocent. Killed by the werewolves

capnSilver, a swineherd
Nick, the baker
~~badgerbaiter, a dairy farmer.~~ Thorner. Killed by werewolves.
crad, a gong farmer
remiq, a thief
Avid, the barber and dentist
v21, the town's priest

*Non-players, please, refrain rom commenting strategy*

[games] [by Kimota@3:46pmGMT] [+10 Good]

Comments

endopol said @ 4:36pm GMT on 20th Apr
fffuck!

Dioxin said @ 5:05pm GMT on 20th Apr
Thorner?

animus kadmon said @ 5:15pm GMT on 20th Apr
I repeat - "Thorner?"

thumble said @ 5:22pm GMT on 20th Apr
Re-read Day One. There's a secret cabal of anti-monarchists in the town. They all know one another and know that none of their members are werewolves.

TheCooler said @ 5:11pm GMT on 20th Apr
Oh, oh god...... WHYEEEEEE! *Falls to my knees and yells at the heavens*

Well back to work people we have another exciting day of lynching ahead of us. We must get those werewolves even though our claims are random and baseless. *Skips off to the turnip farms*

googirl0007 said @ 5:30pm GMT on 20th Apr
i'm not involved in the game or anything but you are probably the gayest turnip farmer that ever lived.

thumble said @ 5:42pm GMT on 20th Apr
It's a small town and there are no women! What do you expect?

TheCooler said @ 6:10pm GMT on 20th Apr
I admit it. I have romped in the turnip fields with another man before. There's no use in deniying it now! ALso your name reminds me of a friend who died horribly. Thanks a lot.

solitude said @ 7:28pm GMT on 20th Apr
Random and baseless. That use of words reminds me of a very very strange PM i got by Remiq.

solitude said @ 7:32pm GMT on 20th Apr
However that's possibly nothing to worry about, since Remiq has been kind of a loose canon from the get go. Continually contradicting himself and throwing accusations around like they were partycandy. Either he's a lunatic and extremely dangerous, or he's a lunatic we should ignore.

I think I'll let the night's events settle in first before I make any more hasty comments. We need to start thinking smart about this in stead of mob-thinking.

CapnSilver said @ 9:07pm GMT on 20th Apr
I also have been getting strange PM's from remiq.
He strikes me as suspicious but that may be from his "eloquence".

At this point, I have no idea as to who could be what.

If anybody would like to hear my somewhat baseless suspicions, please tell me. I would love to hear any of yours.

Dioxin said @ 9:10pm GMT on 20th Apr [Score:1 Funny]
Here's one. Werewolves are hiding behind a guise of panicked confusion and self depreciating uncertainty.

Jestyr said @ 7:29am GMT on 21st Apr
their uncertainty lowers their value! Now I'll NEVER get any return back on all those werewolf futures I bought!

solitude said @ 10:19am GMT on 21st Apr
I got this weird message. Maybe it means something to some other people here? Right now because of weird behaviour and a number of comments (i'll look them up for you guys) at the moment I'm very VERY distrusting of remiq. Either he's a wolf, or he is a reckless idiot. I don't think I'd like either.

Remiq wrote:

Okay mate, personally I reckon you're a wolf or conspiracy member. Yeah, baseless in it's entirety. I couldn't tell you why exactly. Just the some of the stuff you said on day one. On the upside, I'm less sus about you today. Still sus though.

If you're wolf, you know I'm town and can use this opportunity to fill me with misinformation and misdirection, allowing me, a little down the track to do the dirty work for you. If you're town, you know nothing about me at all. But failing a role claim, what have you got to lose by giving me your info?

solitude said @ 10:20am GMT on 21st Apr
The wording "Baseless in it's entirity" is what triggered the connection to the post (a few above) for me.

remiq said @ 10:38am GMT on 21st Apr
> Maybe it means something to some other people here?
Sure. Let's wait what Cpt will say.

> Either he's a wolf, or he is a reckless idiot.
As I proved at day 2, werewolves have 70% chance to win if they behave like everyone else.

solitude said @ 11:12am GMT on 21st Apr
I have the feeling you'll know what Cpt will say. I don't know what yet, but I think something fishy is going on.

remiq said @ 11:59am GMT on 21st Apr
> I have the feeling you'll know what Cpt will say.
I'm not sure. But it will be interesting.

solitude said @ 12:17am GMT on 22nd Apr
Of course you do. Because If you sent him a PM you know what's in it.

remiq said @ 2:11am GMT on 22nd Apr
I know the truth, but I don't know what he will say.

solitude said @ 11:08am GMT on 21st Apr
Ok the connections:

Day one
Mouse kill vote - This might not mean anything, since the first day was reasonably random. Even though the first day was filled with a plethora of wild accusations.

Day two
BT Accusation - Extreme accusation followed by the very definite:
BT Threat - Followed by a very harsh threat "It doesn't matter if you vote BT or not, he will die tonight anyway" (my wording). He later jumps off his own bandwagen when he finds out it isn't gaining any attention.

Later jumping the safe no-lynch bandwagon and even later the lynch ScarShapedHeart bandwagon.

Also his contradictions:
This sums it up quite nicely
Seer contradictionHe wants to have the seer contact him, but NOT investigate him? How peculiar.

Also more weirdness:
He says he wants to be inspected. That means he wasn't inspected yet on day two. However later in that thread he says he has been contacted by the seer, which the seer would never do without verifying him. The chance that he was actually investigated by the seer on the first night is negibly small. That means if someone actually contacted him, he is probably in cohorts with a wolf, making him dangerous. If someone did not contact him, he could be anything, but at least a very dangerously loose canon-type-anything.

And finally.His theory is very very intent on killing two people everyday. But we have hardly any infomation as it is. We learn something from when someone dies, but what we learn is mostly from contradictions in opinions from people. No disagreements equals no discussion and as such no progress in the investigation. In the meanwhile the werewolves can just pick up the remaining people at night. If we lynch two people then votes are spread, meaning much less contradictions and less worthwhile discussion. Or in other words, we kill innocents quicker and with less useful information coming out of it.

Because of all this; the weird PM, and the wild accusations going in every direction, I don't trust him one bit at the moment.

Only problem is as said: I don't know id he is either: a (semi-innocent) lunatic which will drive us into the wolves armes and get us very very dead. Or he is a werewolf himself (possibly even the alpha (however he should know better than to act like he is doing himself)), and that's why he was off and on requesting to get seered (so he could find out the reel seer).

If he actually is innocent (which is doubtful) and he happens to have a special function then god help us all. Ye gods just imagine the him being the seer. That's just about as good as having no seer in the game. Either we keep ignoring him due to his lunatic actions, or he happens to die, or we start believing him and the werewolves kill him.

Not yet convinced of his guilt, but I AM convinced of his lack of innocence. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

solitude said @ 11:11am GMT on 21st Apr
Oh and sorry for the extremely long post. We had some "issues" at the office so I've been pulling double (night) shifts and I have a serious lack of sleep right now. So see the above post as more of a subconcious stream of thought type of thing.

remiq said @ 12:34pm GMT on 21st Apr
> Later jumping the safe no-lynch bandwagon
No, i've retracted my vote. Never ever voted for no-lynch option.

> and even later the lynch ScarShapedHeart bandwagon.
Which is why I'm still alive and it was tactic i proposed at day 1.
Do you have a problem with that?

> "It doesn't matter if you vote BT or not, he will die tonight anyway" (my wording)
Yes, your wording, why do you cite that?
I said: "Oh, and that's how this idea ends. If you don't vote, BT will die." which means "If you don't cast your vote, mine will be the only one and you will die." Of course at that time I thought "no-lynch" == "no vote to lynch".

> He wants to have the seer contact him, but NOT investigate him?
Why wasting one night to see I'm human? Even if he check me, he can still belive that I'm alpha.

> That means he wasn't inspected yet on day two.
As you already know, I talk with many people. Somebody can tell me, he's seer and already checked me. If another person contact me with the same role claim, I will know somebody's lying. Only person that knows about being ivestigated is alpha (and seer). How can I know I've been already checked?

> His theory is very very intent on killing two people everyday.
My theory gives us 45% chance to win. That's over two times more than no-lynch strategy.
But I must say, it wasn't proposition "what to do", but correction of gronk23's mistake, when he said only werewolf would create tie.

> the wild accusations going in every direction
I've voted to lynch only BT, when he was broadcasting stupid no-lynch idea. That's my wild accusations.

> then god help us all
God help us all. I'm innocent and have a special function. Only reason why I am alive after yesterday's show is "why to eat a person who will be lynched tomorrow? If they will lynch him, they will not lynch a wolf". Too bad badgerbaiter died.

> Ye gods just imagine the him being the seer.
No, he can't be seer. Do he?

solitude said @ 12:21am GMT on 22nd Apr
Well at least you said you were contacted by the seer, which I know can't be true. So you're lieing about something. And now stating you have a special function, which would be extremely stupid to say if it were true. I don't know what to think about you right now, but I definately know that I don't like what I should be thinking.

gronk23 said @ 9:18pm GMT on 21st Apr
Well, I got the exact same PM from remiq and if he's a wolf, he's a bit of a lone wolf. Wouldn't the other wolves be ticked off at him for outing himself so much? Although he might be the alpha wolf (who will be seen as human by the seer) and is deliberately trying to out himself by being flamboyant and lying about being contacted by a "seer candidate."

Another thought is that he's another thorner, and is acting as their designated "loose cannon" to try to get as much information as possible (hence the PMs) and they will rally to protect him if a lynch vote steers toward him. Though now that they've lost one of there numbers, their voting power must be significantly reduced.

I can't deny that remiq is behaving suspiciously, but so is solitude by writing such a long involved essay attacking him. I mean, is anyone really taking remiq seriously at the moment? Solitude could very well be a werewolf trying to direct the town toward easy lynching fodder, knowing full well that lynching remiq means lynching a townie.

A problem I see with lynching remiq is that his death doesn't really tell us anything. If he's a townie, he seems to be acting alone, if he's a wolf, it doesn't really seem to implicate anyone else because no one's defending him.

Except me...

gulp...

Every post is suspicious...

I don't trust anyone...

solitude said @ 12:38am GMT on 22nd Apr
Exactly the same?

I wonder how many more people he sent these baseless accusations to.

aaroncc said @ 6:30pm GMT on 20th Apr
wow... the people in charge were innocent. Who'd a thunk.

Context said @ 6:39pm GMT on 20th Apr
Hrm.

Narrenschiff said @ 7:04pm GMT on 20th Apr
Well, shit.

And fuck off, mrcucumber. You no likey, you no clickey. +1 for the excellent GMin'.

kishi said @ 7:14pm GMT on 20th Apr [Score:1 Funny]
Huh. Mayor lynched. Bailiff lynched. Seems like this town doesn't care for authority figures.

I think the priest should be careful.

Naruki said @ 4:21am GMT on 21st Apr
The priest is the lead wolf, Young Goodman Brown.

solitude said @ 7:42pm GMT on 20th Apr
And what's with the cooking part in the description? What the hell did those savages do to the poor bugger?

CapnSilver said @ 8:59pm GMT on 20th Apr
I imagine they ate him.

Dioxin said @ 9:03pm GMT on 20th Apr
Dairy farmers, the other white meat.

Barnabas_Truman said @ 9:44pm GMT on 20th Apr
I vote no lynching, you bastards. :-P

I also vote no devouring, in case any wolves are listening.

thumble said @ 9:58pm GMT on 20th Apr
Is that a vote the werewolves are likely to count?

Jestyr said @ 11:27pm GMT on 20th Apr
maybe this is just me, but a vote of "no lynch" seems to put us into the werewolves hands. They'll be killing anyways, and us townies not lynching means that we have no shot of A) getting a lucky guess in or B) gathering information. We would simply be stalling for time, which clearly does not work to our advantage. The werewolves have all the time in the world, cause they're not gonna eat each other, and we haven't got anything comparable to them that can kill during the daytime except our lynch votes.

remiq said @ 11:38pm GMT on 20th Apr
Read this.

Jestyr said @ 12:08am GMT on 21st Apr
yeah... uh, unless I'm misunderstanding, you're agreeing with me, sort of? From those stats, a double lynch (I assume that would require an engineered tie every day) gives the best odds of winning on our part, yes? And yes, when i say "our" I of course mean the townies.
I think I agree with your seer strategy, even going so far as to suggest to the seer that he send all information that is made available to him available to everyone that he has previously contacted, and then inform us of who he plans on checking out that night. That way, if enough people get contacted and then the next day the seer shows up with a torn out throat, we have our alpha in the bag. Yeah, it places the seer at extreme risk, but hell, the seer is surely in party with the devil or some such anyway, having some creepy, crafty supernatural ability.

solitude said @ 12:28am GMT on 22nd Apr
Yes double kills give better results with random voting. However much of the information we gain is from the discussions on who to vote, and because of the opposites in oppinion. If we have more people we kill in a day, this means less opposition in opinions, which in turn gives us less discussion, and in turn gives us less information per person that dies. Because If you fill in that model he used further you'll get the result that 3 lynches a day will be even more benificial, and 4 even more so.

When you analyse the results you'll find out the results are a curve which will eventually tell you that the best way to kill all wolves is to just kill everyone in town on the first lynching.

If you don't take into account that we use the information gathered by the lynching, then indeed 2 lynchings gives us better odds. However we do use the info (or at least should). Random voting is going to get far too many of us killed.

remiq said @ 2:16am GMT on 22nd Apr
When you analyse the results you'll find out the results are a curve which will eventually tell you that the best way to kill all wolves is to just kill everyone in town on the first lynching.

Except one person. It would be 85% chance to win, if there would be 18 humans and 3 wolves.

> However we do use the info (or at least should).
O RLY? Show me where? What information you gained by lynching mayor and mr. silent?

solitude said @ 4:58am GMT on 22nd Apr
Nothing by the lynching itself, but a lot by the discussions surrounding them.

solitude said @ 12:33am GMT on 22nd Apr
Ironic that a double post happened on a double lynching topic. Sorry :)

LeavemeAlone said @ 5:07am GMT on 21st Apr
I'm with ya.

I vote to lynch Barnabas Truman.

badgerbaiter said @ 11:24pm GMT on 20th Apr [Score:4 Funny]
I feel betters.......!

I think I can still play

Ripley said @ 11:59pm GMT on 20th Apr
I vote we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit.
It's the only way to be sure.

VictorTyne said @ 12:05am GMT on 21st Apr
Game over, man! Game over!

Apone said @ 12:55am GMT on 21st Apr
Stop your grinnin and drop your linen!

Context said @ 2:23am GMT on 21st Apr
They mostly come out at night.... mostly.

(pretend I know how to change the link, or had time)

Nick said @ 4:52am GMT on 21st Apr
I suppose plexer and Avid would be the closest things we have to scientists. Guys! Get to work inventing the rocket ship and nuclear bomb!

Jestyr said @ 12:09am GMT on 21st Apr
Also: I vote to lynch Context

Context said @ 2:06am GMT on 21st Apr
I vote no lynch

For reasons that Barnabus has made perfectly clear. Yes, Remiq has a lot of numbers, but they don't take into account the psychology involved, they're purely random. I would hope that our seer would investigate those who are suspect. I would also hope that the seer would not be PMing anyone with information until he knows they are innocent, and when he knows that someone is indeed a wolf. Yes, the alpha thing does make it a little risky, but that's a risk I'm willing to take (with another man's life).

It's important to realize also that the wolves have votes, and influence the voting. As their proportion to townspeople has grown significantly in the past couple days, voting for no lynch is vital. At this point, I think that anyone who is voting should be investigated by the seer. And the seer is more than welcome to investigate me before them.

Nick said @ 2:55am GMT on 21st Apr
You make a lot of sense, and (for the time being, at least) I'm leaning towards voting for no lynching. However:

"And the seer is more than welcome to investigate me before them."

I am very, very suspicious of people who ask to be investigated. If I were the alpha wolf I would be sure to make this request, and consequently if I were the Seer I would never investigate someone who asks to be seen. If the alpha wolf finds the seer then we've pretty much lost the game. So your offer comes out sounding like a bluff, and makes me suspicious of your motive and identity.

remiq said @ 3:32am GMT on 21st Apr
> If the alpha wolf finds the seer then we've pretty much lost the game.
As I proved before, random seer action is 6% effective. Without guardian or Thorns it is useless.

> I am very, very suspicious of people who ask to be investigated.
Peope who do not ask to be investigated are suspicious.

Nick said @ 4:08am GMT on 21st Apr
It's been far from proven. Your calculations assume random voting, which is a ridiculous assumption.

Context said @ 8:17am GMT on 21st Apr
Hah... yeah, that does make me look really suspicious. Ugh. I shouldn't post right after I wake up on the 21st of April, when I have to leave for work in five minutes.

remiq said @ 3:42am GMT on 21st Apr
> Remiq has a lot of numbers, but they don't take into account the psychology involved
No, but I assume that everyone with a role other than peasant will not behave to gain attention. Waiting with hope that after random killings some wolf will say "this is boring. I'm alpha!" is you know what.

> It's important to realize also that the wolves have votes, and influence the voting.
It's important to realize, that the wolves don't need to vote to win the game. It would be better for them to not to vote.

> At this point, I think that anyone who is voting should be investigated by the seer.
I will vote.

v21 said @ 6:06am GMT on 21st Apr
Why did they kill badgerbaiter? Can we guess who the thorners are from badgerbaiters actions?

Here is a list of people that badger accused, and are therefore likely not Thorners:

Narrenschiff
Plexor
Nick

Dunno how this helps, but, fuck, we need to squeeze all the info we can from deaths.

LeavemeAlone said @ 7:52am GMT on 21st Apr
As in who the werewolves would find tasty?

TheCooler said @ 12:52pm GMT on 21st Apr
Seeing as how I am a turnip farmer and have fed of them for many years they would find me the tastiest. PROTECT ME!

f00m@nB@r said @ 7:04am GMT on 21st Apr
what this town needs is a strip club.

Context said @ 8:20am GMT on 21st Apr
I think that would only heighten the amount of sexual frustration. I vote for a full release massage parlor.

Oh, and no werewolves are allowed to work there. I don't want a claw massage. kthxplz

kishi said @ 9:22am GMT on 21st Apr [Score:3 Funny]
No happy rending for you?

Context said @ 5:44pm GMT on 21st Apr
Alley-Oop!

Well played, sir. Well played.

kishi said @ 9:22pm GMT on 21st Apr
I merely followed through. You, my good man, put everything in place for it. My hat is off to you.

Of course, out where I live, I have time to make bad jokes, what with us not being stalked by werewolves. It's pretty awesome.

Nick said @ 9:19am GMT on 21st Apr
Just a general observation; it's amusing how people (myself included) have changed from accusing everyone under the sun to playing much more cautiously after seeing how accusations get you voted for.

remiq said @ 10:33am GMT on 21st Apr
What? "accusations get you voted for"? Scarshapedstar didn't accused anyone. Mayor also wasn't very aggresive.

Nick said @ 11:11am GMT on 21st Apr
Context, TheCooler and yourself have all been very active, and have all had at least 2 votes. The mayor was very accusing, voting to lynch 2 different people in a single day. Scarshapedstar was the exception as people made the mistaken assumption that the silent villagers were the wolves.

solitude said @ 11:21am GMT on 21st Apr
Well actually I and some others voted Scarshapedheart mainly because he was a non-player and as such it would be valuable to know whether we were missing an important person in the game.

There was a very good chance that he was an innocent, but that would have been random. There was a slight chance he would be wolf. However if he was the seer, we needed to know. Because our strategy might be severely influenced by knowing wether we have a seer who will actually be of help to us. A nonplaying seer would have been terrible for us!!

f00m@nB@r said @ 1:07pm GMT on 21st Apr
i vote david lynch

Narrenschiff said @ 1:15pm GMT on 21st Apr
Shit, I've got no idea what to do here.

Dioxin said @ 3:54pm GMT on 21st Apr
It's all a lie! Kitoma is the only werewo*gurgle*

TheCooler said @ 4:29pm GMT on 21st Apr
WHat if there are no werewolves and Kimota is just screwing with us?

Context said @ 4:31pm GMT on 21st Apr
Then we've already won.

Barnabas_Truman said @ 4:44pm GMT on 21st Apr
That would be totally awesome, but not for the first game.

remiq said @ 2:30am GMT on 22nd Apr
No, for the first one he should tell us we're all seers.

gronk23 said @ 8:48pm GMT on 21st Apr
I miss the mayor *sniff*

remiq said @ 2:31am GMT on 22nd Apr
Well, I have a spare shovel on my stash. If you miss mayor that much, I can give you 20% discount.

endopol said @ 9:31pm GMT on 21st Apr
I vote to lynch Nick

Nick said @ 6:38am GMT on 22nd Apr
No bread for you.

gronk23 said @ 9:32pm GMT on 21st Apr
I'm sorry I've been absent for most of the day. I had to take a short trip.

As you know I've been the winner of the dirty limerick competition in our kingdom for five years running now, but I was just informed yesterday that this year I only took second place. Of course I was dumbfounded. Had I really been supplanted. The judges were hesitant to reveal the winner to me, and they wouldn't tell me the limerick until the official contest results were released by the town crier, but after much cajoling I was able to get the winner's address in the next town over.

So today I made my way over and knocked on the door. An extremely delicate-looking elderly woman answered the door and I asked her if the winner of the dirty limerick contest was available. She said that she was the winner of the contest. I found this a bit hard to believe, so I asked her if she could read her limerick to me.

"Oh no," she said, "It's far too disgusting for me to say out loud."

No amount of coaxing on my part would convince her to tell me the poem. Finally I said, "Why don't you say it out loud, and just 'tum tee tum' over the unmentionable bits, I'm sure I'll be able to glean the missing words using the context."

She thought about this and said "All right:

tum tee tum tum tum tee tum
tum tee tum tee tum tee tum
tum tee tum tum
tum tee tum tee tum tum
fuck off ya dirty cunt!"

solitude said @ 1:56am GMT on 22nd Apr
What was your entry?

gronk23 said @ 5:34am GMT on 22nd Apr [Score:1 WTF]
Our dear mayor who we went a-squelching
was skilled in the fine art of felchng.
He'd suck off the butt
after each fuck
so it smelled like a fart when he's belching.

Narrenschiff said @ 10:01pm GMT on 21st Apr
I vote no lynch

For now, you confusing bastards.

CapnSilver said @ 12:18am GMT on 22nd Apr
Lynch Remiq

Reason: That PM he's sent to so many people was the one I sent to him. And it was a lie, I suspect you just as much as ever! Fucking, come up with your own information digging PM!

solitude said @ 1:09am GMT on 22nd Apr
Wow... I didn't see that one coming.

remiq said @ 2:23am GMT on 22nd Apr
I told ya it will be interesting, didn't I?

Nick said @ 4:30am GMT on 22nd Apr [Score:2]
You're like a medieval version of tamp.

solitude said @ 4:59am GMT on 22nd Apr
+ a million informative

TheCooler said @ 2:19am GMT on 22nd Apr
He;s not a werewolf he's just an idiot.

remiq said @ 2:34am GMT on 22nd Apr
Argh, enough! Since when I... nevermind.

solitude said @ 12:36am GMT on 22nd Apr
For many many reasons I have made clear in above posts (and unless anyone can convince me of good reasons not to):

I vote to lynch Remiq

thumble said @ 1:15am GMT on 22nd Apr
I vote to lynch endopol.

I don't like unexplained lynch votes. And Nick is too obvious a target seeing as the dear departed badgerbaiter voted to off him yesterday. So it looks to me like endopol is quietly building a bandwagon to get rid of an innocent scapegoat.

CapnSilver said @ 1:22am GMT on 22nd Apr
Unless endopol is a thorner. Or the seer. In which case we should vote with him.

Q: But how can we tell?
A: We can't.

Nick said @ 4:20am GMT on 22nd Apr
"Unless endopol is a thorner."

Thorners don't have any more information than the rest of us, other than the 2 or 3 people who they know are not werewolves. They have to make the same guesswork and deductions as we do to try and find out who the werewolves are.

thumble said @ 4:56am GMT on 22nd Apr
Yes, but they get to do it with a team of people that they can trust not to dick them over. The rest of us can't trust anyone and have to puzzle this mystery out all by our lonesomes, and be wary of red herrings and double crosses.

Nick said @ 5:29am GMT on 22nd Apr
But the Thorners want to avoid being detected just as much as the werewolves do, so they may be staging fights between each other to throw the werewolves off the scent.

Nick said @ 5:52am GMT on 22nd Apr
Actually, as strange as it seems to defend my accuser, badgerbaiter also accused me without giving a reason and he turned out to be a Thorner. One possibility could be that Endopol is also a Thorner and the group have mistakenly decided that I'm a werewolf based on my earlier activity level. While this would be pretty daft of them, it would also explain Endopol's strange behaviour.

Endopol, I'm not a wolf, but I don't think you are either.

remiq said @ 2:43am GMT on 22nd Apr
Votes till now:
no lynching - BT, Context, narren
remiq - cptSilver, solitude
BT - LeavemeAlone
Context - Jestyr
david lynch - f00m@nb@r
Nick - endopol
endopol - thumble

No vote:
gronk23, the town's poet
plexer, the apothecary
TheCooler, a turnip farmer
Nick, a wolf
crad, a wolf
remiq, a thief
Avid, the barber and dentist
v21, the town's priest

Nick said @ 4:12am GMT on 22nd Apr
So people who disagree with you are automatically wolves? I'm a Maths graduate, (What can I say? Baking gives better money) and I'm telling you that your figures are absolutely useless with the assumptions you're making.

P.S. You may not want to count the vote for David Lynch. I'm not sure, but it may be a joke vote.

remiq said @ 4:33am GMT on 22nd Apr
I don't remember you or crad disagreeing with me.

> P.S. You may not want to count the vote for David Lynch.
Hell, I'm sure he's alpha!

crad said @ 2:43am GMT on 22nd Apr
I vote to lynch Remiq

CapnSilver said @ 2:47am GMT on 22nd Apr
If remiq is telling up that Nick and crad are wolves......
Can I suggest we might want to listen to someone who is emphatically stating others are wolves?

Unless he's wrong. If he's wrong then don't listen.

crad said @ 3:28am GMT on 22nd Apr
I don't know exactly what it is, but CapnSilver seems suspicious to me too.

Note CapnSilver is defending remiq. Trying to divert attention away from the pack?

v21 said @ 5:40am GMT on 22nd Apr

CapnSilver said @ 12:18am GMT on 22nd Apr - moderate/reply
Lynch Remiq

Reason: That PM he's sent to so many people was the one I sent to him. And it was a lie, I suspect you just as much as ever! Fucking, come up with your own information digging PM!

Remiq is crazy enough that I don't suspect him of subtle plays. If either CapnSilver or remiq is a wolf, then the other almost certainly isn't:

remiq = wolf, capn = wolf : Why would capn send the PM? He is too sensible and sober a player to concoct/abet such a stupid plan as remiqs forwarding.
remiq = innocent, capn = wolf: Capn is getting really into role play, remiq is a bit crazy/ thought it was a good idea.
remiq = wolf, capn = innocent: Capn sent message in good faith, remiq decided to copy him to look innocent and spread confusion.
remiq = innocent, capn = innocent: Capn sent message in good faith, remiq is crazy medieval tampride.

To be honest though, I'm not so certain about remiq any more. If he had friends he could trust (was a wolf or thorner), then surely they would have told him to stop this nonsense and save himself(not defended him publicly, that's stupid). And if he was a wolf, and as crazy as he appears, then surely he would have slipped and incriminated others by now?

But maybe lynching him is a good idea: if he is a wolf, a lot of people will look a lot more innocent. me, for one, and capn for two, and solitude for three, and Nick and plexor as well, I guess.

Nick said @ 5:46am GMT on 22nd Apr
I agree. I don't see how remiq and CapnSilver can both be wolves.

thumble said @ 6:30am GMT on 22nd Apr
"if he is a wolf, a lot of people will look a lot more innocent."

So concerned about looking innocent. Is it not enough to actually be innocent?

As for remiq, I get the feeling that if he was a wolf even he would play a bit differently, if not subtly. He's playing like he's daring us to prove him wrong. Like he's so righteously innocent that his own belief in himself is enough to convince us. Like a devout Christian. Maybe like a psychotic Thorner?

v21 said @ 6:50am GMT on 22nd Apr
I saw what happened to the bailiff and the mayor!

And I know what you mean about remiq. But who else?

solitude said @ 5:03am GMT on 22nd Apr
But considering how random his accusations are; the chances of him being wrong are in the neighborhood of 100%. And even if he's not a wolf (which i think he is) then he still is an idiot with very very lucky guess work.

solitude said @ 5:04am GMT on 22nd Apr
At the very least his contributions are counter-productive in finding the wolves.

Nick said @ 5:34am GMT on 22nd Apr
Agreed. I have several people on my list of suspects, but only one of them is a potential werewolf and making crazy and counter-productive suggestions.

I vote to lynch remiq.

v21 said @ 5:58am GMT on 22nd Apr
But he's given us tons of info! Not on purpose, but who would give info on purpose?

Not sure how much more we can extract from him, though.

Nick said @ 6:07am GMT on 22nd Apr
I don't see where he has, Father, unless you could point it out? Apart from numerous accusations, we've only had a post full of particularly terrible maths. He has repeatedly referenced his 'conclusions' as fact despite my pointing out that his mistaken assumption that voting is random invalidates the entire thing.

v21 said @ 6:17am GMT on 22nd Apr
Oh, if he's a wolf he's managed to clear suspicion from capn and others. That's useful info. He's full of shit, and I wouldn't listen to him, but we've learnt a lot from his presence.

The question is whether we'll continue to learn more. I'm leaning towards no, but you never know.

Nick said @ 6:23am GMT on 22nd Apr
Ah, I see. Thanks for explaining.

gronk23 said @ 5:41am GMT on 22nd Apr
I vote to lynch Avid

I still think that at least a couple of the wolves are laying fairly low. It would make sense for them to vary their strategy among the pack. And, while I too am pretty suspicious of remiq, I think things will get rather boring without him.

If there are wolves laying low, we should still be going for some of the more quiet players. Besides, that's a better way to keep the game interesting, and unfortunately I STILL think our choice of lynching victim is somewhat random.

Someone who is not me should build a nifty little spreadsheet of people who have accused others and people who have defended others, maybe broken down by day. I think it would become helpful as the day goes on...

v21 said @ 6:02am GMT on 22nd Apr
Yeah, I was thinking about that. Fuck it, I might just do it.

Really, you need more than just "He's quiet, I reckon wolves would be quiet." There's lots of quiet people, and for lots of reasons. At least something vaugely suspicious on his behalf.

Nick said @ 6:10am GMT on 22nd Apr
Quiet people are quiet for self-preservation. This would be an equally valid motive for a villager or a werewolf.

Active people make accusations. If they're human, it's to try and root out the werewolves. If they're wolves, it's to try and blend in or to get rid of threats to their kind.

Basically, I don't see being active or inactive people as being automatically more likely to be werewolves. Not very useful. :/

v21 said @ 6:22am GMT on 22nd Apr
There is more of a drive towards activity for villagers - they don't have to watch what they say quite as hard, and they have to find wolves to win. Wolves only have to avoid being found.

But with the quietitude purges we've had, I don't see that any sensible werewolf would keep quiet as a strategy now.

v21 said @ 7:18am GMT on 22nd Apr
Here's a start. If any one wants to expand it, or improve it, send me a PM with your Google Account address, and I'll send out an invite.

Link

remiq said @ 6:50am GMT on 22nd Apr
So, what will be known when I die?

v21 said @ 7:14am GMT on 22nd Apr
Well, what's your opinions of people? Who is on your suspicious list?