Sensible Erection | SENSIBLE HOWLING

Tuesday, 17 April 2007

quote [ Beneath the surface of nature's beauty lies a cold heart. A heart that shows no mercy. Or remorse. ]

Welcome back to Lupensbrusch. Brush your teeth.
Prologue
Day one

"The sleepy town awakes. And with the sun shining brightly over the forest, signaling the beginning of spring, it almost seems for a moment like the nightmares may be over,, maybe the werewolves decided to call it a night and forgive them for once.

They should know better by now. Breaking the lazy pace of dawn, a group of children runs through the streets screaming. You grab one of them and ask him what's wrong.

"The wolves!" He says, "They killed young Mouse, the handyman!"

The question in everybody's mind was: "Why?" Mouse was a smart kid. Not always the nicest guy, but he had kept to himself the last day, not making any waves.

The Necromancer examined his chewed-on bones. "He was a regular villager", he declared, before disappearing into the woods again, as usual."

The cast is:

gronk23, the town's poet
endopol, the carpenter
Context, the local drunk
scarshapedstar, the bailiff
Narrenschiff, a mysterious stranger
~~BobTWC, the mayor.~~ Innocent. Lynched.
LeavemeAlone, an old retired sailor

Barnabas Truman, the innkeeper
plexer, the apothecary
Jestyr, a grain farmer
thumble, an old warrior
TheCooler, a turnip farmer
solitude, the blacksmith
~~mouse, the handyman.~~ Innocent. Killed by the werewolves

capnSilver, a swineherd
Nick, the baker
badgerbaiter, a dairy farmer
crad, a gong farmer
remiq, a thief
Avid, the barber and dentist
v21, the town's priest

[games] [by Kimota@7:48pmGMT] [+10 Good]

Comments

Bob LLama said @ 7:50pm GMT on 17th Apr
~~BobTWC, the mayor.~~ Innocent. Lynched.

Oh! Too good! Too funny! You guys crack me up.

Bob LLama said @ 8:16pm GMT on 17th Apr
P.S. I'm still a spectral entity mocking your foolish mortal tribulations.

Bob LLama said @ 8:44pm GMT on 17th Apr
P.P.S. And high. On marijuana.

CapnSilver said @ 9:03pm GMT on 17th Apr
The way that god intended for man to get high.

BobTWC said @ 11:37am GMT on 18th Apr
HEY! Now I'm spectral, too!!!

CapnSilver said @ 8:05pm GMT on 17th Apr
Well from this we can tell... Nothing, really.
How suck.

CapnSilver said @ 8:08pm GMT on 17th Apr
Actually, we can. The werewolves killed someone who wasn't talking. Good idea. Lynch and eat all those silent bastards who think they ride this game out to the end.

Context said @ 8:27pm GMT on 17th Apr
Yes, very clever by the werewolves indeed. Perhaps many of them are being silent? Or, they are the more vocal of the bunch, and wanting to execute someone with similar behavior, in hopes that we'll start offing the more vocal players. We certainly offed the most verbose of us.

v21 said @ 8:36pm GMT on 17th Apr
Yeah... But remember that movement away from BobTWC and towards killing the silent, non-participating ones? Suspicious...

Oh man, we got nothing that I can see so far.

CapnSilver said @ 9:01pm GMT on 17th Apr
And thus the paranoia begins!

1- the wolves know who is town. Not who is what, but they know who the town is. So at this stage they read BobTWC's entertaining posts and decide to get him lynched. Gronk started the ball rolling and then context jumped on, later Gronk unvotes bob and votes context.
Might mean nothing. I'm having trouble telling when the other votes happened because of the way this comment system orders posts. But it strikes me as significant-ish

2- Remiq voted to lynch mouse. Co-incidence? I don't know.

Right now any of us could be a wolf, but most of us aren't. Lets just assume that which anything that anybody posts that they could be a werewolf.

"What would I say if I was a werewolf trying to pretend to be human?"

remiq said @ 9:11pm GMT on 17th Apr
> 2- Remiq voted to lynch mouse. Co-incidence? I don't know.
If I were wolf, I wouldn't cast one vote (only vote) to person I will eat next.

CapnSilver said @ 9:16pm GMT on 17th Apr
That's exactly what I'd expect a wolf to say!

Do something incredibly stupid for a wolf to do and then say "That'd be stupid for a wolf to do". Brilliant defence!

God this game can make my brain hurt.

thumble said @ 9:24pm GMT on 17th Apr
It would be extremely foolish for the wolves to murder someone that one of them had voted to lynch just that very day. And equally foolish for one of them to bring up that very vote the next day. This is enough to clear both your name and Remiq's in my mind. At least for now.

Narrenschiff said @ 10:14pm GMT on 17th Apr
You're a town!

endopol said @ 10:33pm GMT on 17th Apr
What if gronk23 and context are both werewolves? gronk23 starts the ball rolling, sees that BobTWC is definitely going to hang, then changes his vote to context, knowing his friend is safe. Tentatively,

I vote to lynch gronk23

endopol said @ 10:41pm GMT on 17th Apr
Also, Nick, would you be so kind as to explain why it makes sense for someone who had been told he was not a werewolf, to say,
"It would be 407% awesome if Kimota had told everyone they were werewolves"?

badgerbaiter said @ 10:47pm GMT on 17th Apr

Nick said @ 5:52am on 17th Apr - moderate/reply
Sorry, BobTWC. I was sure you were one of them.

Interesting that someone could have been so sure about poor old BobTWC so early in the game......

Nick said @ 6:37am GMT on 18th Apr
3 others also voted to lynch Bob, and I'd certainly hope we were all fairly sure about his guilt before condemning him to death.

Nick said @ 6:36am GMT on 18th Apr
Well, if Kimota had told everyone they were werewolves we'd have all been going "Bwahaha, I'm a secret werewolf. These foolish villagers will pay!" whilst Kimota secretly chuckles about his hilarious prank. If you're going where I think you're going with this, your logic is faulty. I classed this a a hypothetical question. I know that not everyone is a werewolf because (1) BobTWC was found not to be (2) Mouse was found not to be (3) I didn't get 'the nod'.

Context said @ 11:12pm GMT on 17th Apr
I never really understood why the vote was changed to me. Was it because I was being accusing? Because I actually used that rationale to vote second, because Nick was the first to make an uninformed vote. Though, I'm not sure if that's an appropriate argument, since it would be in every player's interest to get the ball rolling and start talking, with either information or disinformation.

What would I say if I were a wolf? Well, I'd probably hang back a little bit, and agree with a stated argument, for the first couple days at least. Get a little trust in you, and then start giving direction and advice, and gradually steering the others to attack who you'd like.

CapnSilver said @ 12:13am GMT on 18th Apr
I voted for you because Bob did, and I felt he was getting railroaded. If I vote for you and you turn out to be a townie, I'll thoroughly say I'm sorry.

Now, theres an auful lot of people NOT DOING ANYTHING!!

If they're distributed evenly amongst scum and townies then we're might be in a better position.

(Actually, I'm not 100% about many people not doing anything, I'm not going to search for a post by every person for yesterday. But it sure seems like it.)

badgerbaiter said @ 12:25am GMT on 18th Apr
OK,
Could we all agree to lynch one of the silent players?
I cant remember hearing anything form plexer.

I vote to lynch Plexor

badgerbaiter said @ 12:27am GMT on 18th Apr
*Looks sheepish*

Sorry Plexor I see that you have been involved.
Sorry for trying to kill you......

I vote to lynch no one

no one said @ 1:45am GMT on 18th Apr
Well you can take a flying fuck at the mooooooooooooooooooooooon!

crad said @ 8:57am GMT on 18th Apr
Looks suspicious to me. Wanting to off the silent ones? Random murder of townies? Getting people used to votes being switched around easily and often?

Seems a bit wolfy if you ask me dairy farmer.

solitude said @ 9:05am GMT on 18th Apr
Don't look too sheepish. The werewolves might try to eat you ;)

Nick said @ 7:43am GMT on 18th Apr
I agree with CapnSilver here. Last round, the two villagers with most votes were people who were very active in the discussion, so it would seem that for a werewolf keeping shtum would be a very healthy idea. Also, persuading people to vote for the same mute that you're targeting would be much more difficult than getting them to lynch a rabble-raising loudmouth.

On the other hand, the lycanthropes' choice was also a mute. I don't know why they killed an inactive player instead of one of us who'd made decent deductions, (perhaps we haven't voted for any of them yet? a scary thought) but if that's their long-term plan then lynching the quiet players may actually be helping the wolves.

Now my brain hurts.

crad said @ 9:13am GMT on 18th Apr
well, if the wolves are being quiet then they wouldn't want to eat the other quiet people would they? It's likely not all wolves are outspoken, but they will try to influence voting if they want to win.

I suspect they won't ever actually vote together on the same guy to avoid drawing attention. Perhaps in the first vote they did however.

Maybe Context is a wolf!

Context said @ 2:02pm GMT on 18th Apr
But it's apparent that being outspoken gets you in trouble. I think the wolves would be playing a middle-road approach, adding comments but not spearheading any movements.

crad said @ 8:17pm GMT on 18th Apr
I agree the wolves mainly want to influence voting without being noticed. Let's see who was more outspoken yesterday who becomes more quiet today.

However this discussion is a bit tip off so the question remains; which of you are werewolves?

solitude said @ 1:40am GMT on 19th Apr
Unfortunately at the moment just about everyone is holding off their votes. I think people are getting very paranoid and everyone is afraid anything they say will be used against them, innocent or not.

Context said @ 11:19pm GMT on 17th Apr
moment of silence for the mayor, endopol!

moment of silence!

solitude said @ 4:04am GMT on 18th Apr
Says the man who voted to lynch him himself! If you hadn't the vote would have tied and probably both would be lynched. So all in all you have made a very sweet deal out of his death methinks.

Context said @ 9:44am GMT on 18th Apr
I voted for him before I started getting votes. He voted for me as revenge for voting for him, and a couple other people hopped in his wagon. I simply voted for him because he was defending another player, and why would someone do that if they weren't a wolf?

If only his ghost were here to tell us.

BobTWC said @ 11:45am GMT on 18th Apr
Boo?

Context said @ 1:49pm GMT on 18th Apr
EEEEK! A ghost, kill it! Kill it!

Nick said @ 7:07am GMT on 18th Apr
"What if gronk23 and context are both werewolves? gronk23 starts the ball rolling, sees that BobTWC is definitely going to hang, then changes his vote to context, knowing his friend is safe."

If that's how it went down, Gronk23 and Context are pretty stupid werewolves. Context only got one vote less than Bob; if any one villager had voted for Context at the last minute or someone had excused Bob, then Context would have hung. Considering we think there are only 3 or 4 werewolves, that's an insane risk to take with a team mate just to make a minor point.

So, one of them may be a werewolf, but I sincerely doubt both are.

Context said @ 10:46pm GMT on 18th Apr
Read Barnabas' theory, and change your vote to lynch no one!

thumble said @ 12:40am GMT on 18th Apr
The problem is that "What would I say if I was a werewolf trying to pretend to be human?" has the same answer as "What would I say if I was a human trying to make sure everyone knows I'm human?"

solitude said @ 1:50am GMT on 18th Apr
At the moment I think the lesser votes such as mouse are merely random votes. I'd value them the same as the no-lynch votes. Right now I am far more suspicious of people such as Context. Remember his fierce attack on BobTWC?

See his comment

Also the no-lynch votes seem suspicious. Because a non-voting would seem reasonably innocent, but why would a wolf need to vote if an innocent is already about to die.

And I concur... this is making my head hurt. There's no way to trust any of you buggers. Guess I'd beter stock up on silver and garlic.

Nick said @ 6:57am GMT on 18th Apr
"Also the no-lynch votes seem suspicious. Because a non-voting would seem reasonably innocent, but why would a wolf need to vote if an innocent is already about to die."

I disagree. If we're being led by the wolves in our lynching decisions, we should slow the game down and take the time to work out who they are and allow the seer/guardian to do their work. If we are in fact acting like an actual lynch mob and unconsciously taking suggestions from the werewolves then we're just killing ourselves twice as quickly as the wolves can.

crad said @ 8:31pm GMT on 18th Apr
Yes, good idea. This suggestion seems counter-productive for the wolves.

I think Nick isn't a wolf. It would sure suck if we lynched the seer by mistake!

For now I vote to Lynch Nobody.

thumble said @ 8:58pm GMT on 17th Apr
Listen to yourselves! Admiring the wolves' decision? Calling them clever? What side are you on?

Narrenschiff said @ 10:15pm GMT on 17th Apr
Aye, his all to ready posin' as a non-lycanthrope seems bit grating to me. Suspicious even.

LeavemeAlone said @ 1:23pm GMT on 18th Apr
It is probably more that they don't want to arouse suspicion. If you kill off a vocal prick, you are likely to begin to sway people to one direction early on. Then, when the hypothesis is tested and proven wrong, then we start stringing them up. So, they probably want to get rid of those who hold little sway early on, since it is less likely any finger gets pointed. It also means that any useful idiots here would be more helpful, as there wouldn't be too much evidence either way.

solitude said @ 2:16pm GMT on 18th Apr
But at the moment everything anyone does or says at any time arouses suspicion. Staying quiet does, but being vocal does as well.

LeavemeAlone said @ 2:24pm GMT on 18th Apr [Score:1 Insightful]
I am speaking more about the werewolves killing at night rather than the lynching during the day. If the werewolves kill someone quiet, then you can't figure out who they are. Once they kill someone vocal, then you have groups formed who can start testing out hypotheses.

Narrenschiff said @ 2:42pm GMT on 18th Apr
Great, now they'll start killing the vocal ones to muddle things up.

plexer said @ 9:28pm GMT on 17th Apr
Could this mean that no one who was (vocally) promoted as lynch-fodder was a werewolf?

I would think that the were-dogs would want to eat anyone who was leading a campaign to get them lynched. If they killed a silent participant then I figure either:

1. They've played this before, and have noticed a trend for completely silent people to win the game.

2. No one threatened them, so they picked at random.

3. They are much cleverer than me

remiq said @ 9:42pm GMT on 17th Apr
> 3. They are much cleverer than me
Sure we ar...
...
...
Oh, snap!

Context said @ 11:16pm GMT on 17th Apr [Score:1 Insightful]
It seems that people who lead campaigns get the most attention, which would appear to be a bad thing by the number of votes I got yesterday for pursuing a theory, which turned out to be quite wrong. So, it would make sense to execute one of the silent players, as the loud ones will be lynched during the day, keeping all of the focus on the werewolves, who are playing a follower/supporter/middle of the road player.

thumble said @ 12:50am GMT on 18th Apr
No, no. I think it would be unwise for the wolves to eliminate anyone who came too close the night after any of them recieved a lynch vote. Wouldn't that be far too obvious? After all, it's far more likely that people would vote differently the following day. Then after a period of alleviated suspicion, then they could target those that suspected them.

solitude said @ 2:29am GMT on 18th Apr
What if wolves voted for other wolves? They could bail out at the last minute (especially as BobTWC had so many votes) and their wolf compadre remained safe. However ensuring that that wolf would remain safe for most of the game. Possibly even themselves, because, why would a wolf vote for his own kind?

That would make Context, TheCooler, CapnSilver and Gronk23 highly suspicious in my book.

CapnSilver said @ 2:51am GMT on 18th Apr
If if's and and's were pots and pans....

But what if that's what the werewolves want us to think?
But what if that's what the werewolves want us to think?
But what if THAT's what the werewolves want us to think?

At some point you have to stop trying to second guess the wolves, and just use your gut.

Remember, this is a game. Not life or death. Sure you'll be pissed when you die, at least the first time you play, but in the end, as long as you have fun, that's what matters, yeah?

"That sounds like werewolf talk to me"

solitude said @ 3:54am GMT on 18th Apr
Sounds a damn lot like werewolf talk to me... Especially after I implicated you.

Oh damn we've really got nothing have we :'(

CapnSilver said @ 3:57am GMT on 18th Apr
Well, we know that BobTWC was town
As was mouse.

Thats all we know.

BobTWC said @ 11:52am GMT on 18th Apr
"Sure you'll be pissed when you die, at least the first time you play"

BOO!

:)

LeavemeAlone said @ 1:27pm GMT on 18th Apr
You can only stay so silent. Eventually, people will ask for your opinion. The problem is that with this form of werewolf, you can't see their faces when they lie. This is very important. But then, if you aren't very clever, you could be a problem for me when it come time to actually finding the werewolf and you can't think for yourself. So...

I vote to lynch plexer.

plexer said @ 3:09pm GMT on 18th Apr
Of course. Because starting a discussion is evidence of lack of free thought. And sarcasm is reason for lynching.

For lynching without reason:
I vote to lynch LeaveMeAlone

Jump on my bandwagon. It has bells on.

LeavemeAlone said @ 3:38pm GMT on 18th Apr
Yeah, but my bandwagon has mighty fine ass.

Got to pull it somehow.

Context said @ 10:47pm GMT on 18th Apr
Both of you, change your vote to no one, so we can let the seer do his work. Read Barnabas' theory.

Jestyr said @ 8:21pm GMT on 17th Apr
*counts fingers, counts toes, comes to nine as usual.*

WHEW!

thumble said @ 9:26pm GMT on 17th Apr
Care to count your teeth?

Jestyr said @ 1:16am GMT on 18th Apr
Molar, incisor, and bicuspid are ALWAYS with me...

*counts to make sure*

thumble said @ 1:37am GMT on 18th Apr
Would you describe your incisors as
A) Human size,
B) Wolf size,
or
C) Saber-toothed tiger size?

Jestyr said @ 4:08am GMT on 18th Apr
very clever. I see where you're going with this one.

Barnabas_Truman said @ 8:20pm GMT on 18th Apr [Score:1 WTF]
First werewolves, now weresmilodons? What next, a were-andrewsarchus?

remiq said @ 12:26am GMT on 19th Apr
WTF is this?!

endopol said @ 8:36pm GMT on 17th Apr
What were Bob's last words?

CapnSilver said @ 8:39pm GMT on 17th Apr [Score:5 Funny]
"Please don't lynch me"

Nick said @ 8:42pm GMT on 17th Apr
"Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"

BobTWC said @ 11:54am GMT on 18th Apr
Boo.

graham said @ 8:38pm GMT on 17th Apr [Score:2]

thumble said @ 8:52pm GMT on 17th Apr
His name was Robert Paulson.

Narrenschiff said @ 10:16pm GMT on 17th Apr
In other news this game is fuckin' tits

CapnSilver said @ 10:45pm GMT on 17th Apr
Fuck yeah. I'd like to play this some more, but perhaps on a site where the format is a little more conducive.

Context said @ 11:17pm GMT on 17th Apr
You're conducive! *hic*

solitude said @ 2:31am GMT on 18th Apr
You my dear sir, are very VERY drunk!

Winston_Churchill said @ 8:21pm GMT on 18th Apr
My dear sir, I may be drunk, but you are *hic* conducive, and in the morning I will be sober.

TheCooler said @ 2:13am GMT on 18th Apr
Gaiaonline is perfect for a game like this but then you have to get past all the teenagers and emos who want to see your penis.

solitude said @ 2:30am GMT on 18th Apr
I want to see your penis too. But only to see if it has out of the ordinary amounts of hair on it!

TheCooler said @ 10:50am GMT on 18th Apr
Hair on my penis? Nope, I got the maine and some on my balls but none directly on my penis.

solitude said @ 1:45pm GMT on 18th Apr
pixplskthx ^_^

TheCooler said @ 1:51pm GMT on 18th Apr
Are you a chick or a dude?

crad said @ 8:39pm GMT on 18th Apr
I'm not so sure he's serious :P

TheCooler said @ 3:01am GMT on 19th Apr
Not true. A lot of people want to see my penis.

eIfish said @ 4:49pm GMT on 18th Apr
Is there a limit to the number of comments a post can have?

Because if not, it would be possible to put everything in one gigantic uber-post, with the narration going on ~~in the root~~ immediately below the first comment, which reads "don't reply to this unless you're the narrator, you tard", and everyone replying underneath the appropriate day.

Caffeine said @ 1:45am GMT on 18th Apr
I SO want in on next game. =/

thumble said @ 1:48am GMT on 18th Apr [Score:1 Underrated]
I predict this thing is gonna get so big here that there'll be an SEL style Sensible Howling sub-site by the end of the year.

eightysix said @ 3:20am GMT on 18th Apr [Score:1 Insightful]
me too. i secretly want everyone to die, so kimota can reboot this and i can attempt to get in on this.

badgerbaiter said @ 4:11am GMT on 18th Apr
I suppose in around 2 weeks there will be another game.
If we offer blowjobs and whiskey to Kimota.

kishi said @ 5:19am GMT on 18th Apr
Amen.

juju said @ 6:27am GMT on 18th Apr
hear hear! I would definitely be in for the next one. Although with all the people who are expressing interest it might almost be an endless game.

eightysix said @ 11:07pm GMT on 18th Apr
i don't know about you guys, but i think tamp would be an interesting person to observe playing this game. she's certainly no stranger to posting with the agenda to influence your decision. it would be a mindgame trying to figure her out.

TheCooler said @ 2:17am GMT on 18th Apr
So what's the seers and the gaurdian's report

thumble said @ 2:39am GMT on 18th Apr
The seer and guardian won't report anything or else they'll be eaten tonight. Even if a wolf was discovered last night there are still many other wolves left to gobble up the seer.

LeavemeAlone said @ 3:40pm GMT on 18th Apr
Aye. Figuring out who the seer is is like turning them into baloney.

No one should be that delicious.

CapnSilver said @ 2:40am GMT on 18th Apr
What the hell kind of question is that? You want the seer and doctor to come forward right now?
I vote TheCooler for dancing the hemp fandango, based on asking that question.
If he's serious, he's either a naive town or a dumb wolf.

I don't think he's dumb and don't think he's especially naive.

So the question is: What's your game sonny-jim?

(I'm also quite partial to lynching a non player. Maybe Kimota should make sure everyone is playing through PMs or something)

As an aside, would running this game but making everyone town with no special roles, or maybe multiple sets of masons, and killing a person at random every night, would this be an entertaining game? Obviously you'd be pissed when you found out, but I think you'd be able to sit back and laugh at it later.

Barnabas_Truman said @ 8:26pm GMT on 18th Apr
Ha ha, he should totally do that, just to see how long it would take us to figure it out.

WAIT--WHAT IF HE ALREADY IS???

TheCooler said @ 3:49am GMT on 18th Apr
No obviously not. I know that Kimota would get back to us on that. I'm not that big of an idiot.

I am just wondering what kimota says they said. Damn...

solitude said @ 3:59am GMT on 18th Apr
Kimota is just a gamemaster. Say a narator if you will. So he won't be saying diddly squat. The only way we find out anything from the seer, is if he or she tells us. However if that person is telling the truth, he dies, if he lies, he probably dies as well only a day later. He can't tell someone who he verified as human, because that person can be the alpha.

badgerbaiter said @ 4:09am GMT on 18th Apr
Surely the best tactic would be to tell the first human that he finds, the chances are that it wont be the Alpha, he may then make contact with either the Gaurdian or the Thornes.

solitude said @ 4:21am GMT on 18th Apr
True, but two people won't sway a vote. So he needs more people in the alliance. So those odds will go down quickly. I'm not sure how the seer should go about things. All i know is it'll be dangerous as hell whichever way it goes down.

solitude said @ 4:22am GMT on 18th Apr
There is ofcourse also the quite real possibility i'm too paranoid.

Not particularly fond of large shining teeth ripping through my flesh.

badgerbaiter said @ 4:27am GMT on 18th Apr
Sometimes it is wise to be afraid,
Especially of shiney incisors.

thumble said @ 4:32am GMT on 18th Apr
If he happens to contact a Thorner he'll have all the Thorns on side. Could be a powerful alliance depending on how many Thorns there are.

Then again can anyone really trust someone contacting them saying they are the seer?

badgerbaiter said @ 4:37am GMT on 18th Apr
So you are saying that people will lie in the game?????

Then I say that you sir could be the one lying.

v21 said @ 12:13am GMT on 19th Apr
Yeah, if they predict a few lynchings correctly. If someone claiming to be the seer comes clean to a couple of people, who then report who the seer said to lynch, then you're going to lynch a warewolf. Because if not, that voting bloc will just lynch the person who said they were the seer. That's a one for one trade of warewolf to innocent, and the warewolves are outnumbered. So there's no benefit to someone claiming to be the seer in PMs and influencing votes that way. The proof is always in the pudding, and this scam couldn't carry on for long. But if my logic is faulty please do tell.

I've been thinking a lot about secret PM voting blocs and secret societies, and information revealed by various strategies. You might be able to tell. It's one of the distingishing features of playing it on SE rather than elsewhere, like real life - you can communicate and no-one can even see who you're been communicating with.

Nick said @ 7:01am GMT on 18th Apr
I'm a little confused about the seer/guardian. Can't they just send a message via the town notice board (Kimota), like they initially did to announce their help? And if so, what if the wolves can do the same thing to get innocents killed?

TheCooler said @ 9:54am GMT on 18th Apr
If Kimota put a seer and a gaurdian in the town for the purpose of protecting the town and helping us find out who friend and foe are then why would Kimota bother having them tell him who they would like to check up on? For that matter, why even have a seer or a gaurdian if the Narrator wouldn't tell us who they did check on? That is what I was getting at and I stand next to what Nick said as well.

Kimota said @ 10:10am GMT on 18th Apr
No, neither the seer nor the guardian can use again the message on the church thing because... ummm... the werewolves... could be watching the church? Yeah. That's right.

And the idea of the seer being the only one who knows what he investigates at night, is that he will have to decide what to do with the information. Will he speak up to save the life of somebody who he knows innocent? Or to tell on a wolf? Even if that means putting his ass on the line? His choice.

TheCooler said @ 10:50am GMT on 18th Apr
Oh okay that makes sense now. Thank you

remiq said @ 11:57am GMT on 18th Apr
Kimota said @ 11:10am on 18th April
No, neither the seer nor the guardian can use again the message on the church thing because... ummm... the werewolves... could be watching the church? Yeah. That's right.

Well, they can. But who will belive in that?

Avid, the barber and dentist said @ 6:11am GMT on 18th Apr
BTW, if anyone's looking for an anime to watch, I highly recommend Death Note, which has elements very similar to this game. If you are looking for fansubs, there are subs from kuro-hana, www.deathnote.tv, Live-Evil and 'WB'.

Also, the manga has already been made into a (couple of?) movie(s), if that's more your thing.

remiq said @ 7:36am GMT on 18th Apr [Score:1 Hot Pr0n]
Yeah, I also think it's similar.

Nick said @ 7:46am GMT on 18th Apr
+1 Implied Gay

CapnSilver said @ 12:16pm GMT on 18th Apr
Death note is really cool.

Except for that stupid recent recap episode.
And L drying Light's feet was severely gay.
"Yaoi"

remiq said @ 12:21pm GMT on 18th Apr
Some find it similar to Jesus-Judas scene.

CapnSilver said @ 1:18pm GMT on 18th Apr
I guess, But would you compare L to Jesus and Light to Judas?
No.

It stands as super gay.

remiq said @ 12:29am GMT on 19th Apr
Not compare as persons, rather like friendship, betreyal.

Context said @ 10:02am GMT on 18th Apr
Badgerbaiter is looking suspicious. I'm going to hold off voting, but he seems to be calling for lynching one of the silent players, which is what the wolves did in the night. Also, he seems to be very antagonistic, not really proposing theories, but attempting to incite and sway towards anyone. He's accused Nick, and Plexor already today. Yesterday it was myself, solitude, and narrenschiff. It seems that his agenda is to very subtly accuse others, but not so overtly that he draws attention to himself. A very smart move.

Like I said, I'm not voting yet, but I thought it worth mulling over.

Of course, once we actually do catch a wolf, going back and looking at their records of accusations and alliances will be much more beneficial.

badgerbaiter said @ 10:15am GMT on 18th Apr
Very true, but first we need to catch a wolf and that means not jumping the gun and saying something you will regret. I retracted immediately my vote for Mr. Plexor being that I thought he was not in the game, my mistake, but I was working on the assumption that the wolves may be just keeping silent and letting us humans fight it out between ourselves.

v21 said @ 12:56am GMT on 19th Apr
I don't think it even matters what the wolves strategy is, we're so paranoid and jumpy. People, most of us are innocent. Let's learn the lesson of Bob, who rests in heaven.

Narrenschiff said @ 11:34am GMT on 18th Apr
Capnsilver's a bit too militant for my taste.

CapnSilver said @ 12:19pm GMT on 18th Apr
Maybe, just maybe, I'm hyper excited about this game and have nothing better to do on my day's off but sit on SE and hit refresh. A lot.

Context said @ 10:09am GMT on 18th Apr
I think one thing we should also take into consideration is what we could learn from lynching someone, instead of lynching someone based on what we have already learned.

We didn't learn much from lynching Bob. Poor Bob. We learned that it is possible to defend another player and be innocent, although I'm very unsure of why someone would do that outside of altruism.

If you go back and look at who has been most accusing, it would probably be me in intensity, and badgerbaiter in amount of accusing different people. So, you'd probably learn most from lynching one of us. If I were a wolf, you'd learn that I was trying to sway you to kill BOBTWC, who was defending another wolf, which would take suspicion off of that wolf for the next round.

If you killed badgerbaiter, you may be able to ascertain the identities of the people he has accused. Maybe he's accusing wolves as a red herring, but I'd imagine he's subtly accusing villagers.

Just a suggestion... let's do what we think we could learn most from.

badgerbaiter said @ 10:39am GMT on 18th Apr
So you are setting this up as me versus you. May I remind you that I was the one who defended BobTWC in the first place and put my head on the chopping block for it, while you voted to lynch someone just to save yourself.

I have not made any real allegations, it seems normal to test the water and everyone here is under suspicion, however it is you who is trying to rouse the crowd.

Is that because I have asked the right questions?

TheCooler said @ 10:49am GMT on 18th Apr
Duh duh DUH! *Shines a spotlight on the town drunk and whatever badgerbaiter is*

TheCooler said @ 10:53am GMT on 18th Apr
Oh you're a dairy farmer. Ah silly little boy. Why don't you farm turnips like us real men?

badgerbaiter said @ 11:01am GMT on 18th Apr
As the town sayin goes "man cannot live on turnips alone".

TheCooler said @ 11:16am GMT on 18th Apr
Psh turnips are a very diverse vegetable, you can make all thigns out of turnips. TUrnip salad, grilled turnip, turnip whiske-- I mean cough syrup... It's like nature's oxen, yes siree

Nick said @ 11:51am GMT on 18th Apr
How appropriate. You fight like a cow.

TheCooler said @ 12:07pm GMT on 18th Apr
How do you figure?

Nick said @ 12:46pm GMT on 18th Apr [Score:2 Funny]
Er, Monkey Island reference, from the Insult Swordfighting couplets:

"You fight like a dairy farmer."
"How appropriate; you fight like a cow!"

Other gems were:

"You're as repulsive as a monkey in a negligé."
"I look that much like your fiancé?"

"Heaven preserve me! You like like something that's died!"
"The only way you'll be preserved is in formaldehyde."

"I can't rest until you've been exterminated!"
"Then perhaps you should switch to decaffinated?"

TheCooler said @ 1:51pm GMT on 18th Apr
Ohhhhh okay. GOod shit

Barnabas_Truman said @ 8:35pm GMT on 18th Apr
Umm... door...hinge?

solitude said @ 1:15am GMT on 19th Apr
To avoid werewolves we must all eat an orange!

Context said @ 1:54pm GMT on 18th Apr
Actually, I voted before there were any votes cast towards me. Bob started that, and got a few followers, because they felt he was being railroaded. I cast the vote against him because he defended another player, which seemed awfully suspicious.

TheCooler said @ 2:02pm GMT on 18th Apr
Actually if I recall correctly I voted for you first.

BobTWC said @ 12:09pm GMT on 18th Apr [Score:2]
Boo boo moan boo,

Boo moan boo boo moan boo moan boo boo. Boo moan boo boo boo moan. Boo boo moan moan boo boo boo moan boo. Boo boo boo moan boo moan boo. Boo boo boo moan boo boo moan boo, boo boo moan boo boo boo. Moan boo boo moan boo boo boo moan boo, boo moan boo (boo moan boo boo) boo. Boo moan boo boo moan boo.

Chain Rattle!!

Boo boo moan boo. Moan boo boo boo moan boo boo. Boo boo moan boo moan boo boo moan moan.

Moan Moan.

Boo

TheCooler said @ 12:15pm GMT on 18th Apr [Score:1 Insightful]
You are just the saddest ghost ever.

CapnSilver said @ 12:26pm GMT on 18th Apr
What about Hairy Scary, Caspers retarded mate from the space patrol detectives cartoon thing.

God, I hate all those generic HB cartoons where they have one or two strange creatures as mates, but the rest of the group consists of a group of three girls picked out of the pool:

Blonde
Black Hair
Red Head (Daphne is awesome, but less so than Jessica Rabbit)
Black Chick

They all have interchangable personalities as well. Stupid HB.

TheCooler said @ 12:34pm GMT on 18th Apr
Saddest ghost and worst ghost is two different things. Shit you know what? No one's made a silver bullet reference yet. So I accuse the preist! We'll just wait and see if v21 shows up with an eyepatch...

Barnabas_Truman said @ 8:44pm GMT on 18th Apr
He's using morse code to tells us who the werewolves are from BEYOND THE GRAAAAAAAAAAAVE!

Or maybe he's just saying "You guys suck!"

remiq, the ex-thief said @ 12:20pm GMT on 18th Apr [Score:2]
The most silent persons in a village:
scarshapedstar, the bailiff
LeavemeAlone, an old retired sailor
Barnabas Truman, the innkeeper
crad, a gong farmer
v21, the town's priest

There's no real math behind this, only my observations.
But, it's nice to say, that everybody said something about our situation and about each other (even if it was "remiq you thief!"). As far as I remember, only scarshapedstar and LeavemeAlone posted something I would call "not interesting". I hope they will do so, before I decide who will earn my (probably lonely) vote.

About voteing, do not hang your vote. If we don't lynch anyone, only wolves will gain. They won't eat themselves.

About mayor link between Nick (Context theory) and bager (Nick theory), mayor was innocent, so there was no verified theory.
If mayor would be lynched and necromancer would say it was a wolf, bager would be lynched next. And probably Nick too.
If he was a conspiracy member, they would be eaten.
He was a human, shall gangbangers be lynched?

Oh, one thing. I know people who talk too much dies first. So, before I die, I would like to be contacted by seer. Or guardian. On alpha wolf. The rest is pretty much useless.

Have a nice thinking.

Nick said @ 1:00pm GMT on 18th Apr
Intere

Nick said @ 1:07pm GMT on 18th Apr
This is why I shouldn't post when drunk. I meant to upmod you and then say "Interesting post. To the top!". Whoops.

Anyway, good discussion fodder, (can someone cover my attempted upmod plx?) but one point I will make:

"About voteing, do not hang your vote. If we don't lynch anyone, only wolves will gain. They won't eat themselves. "

If we vote randomly, it's much worse than not holding a lynching. The wolves will be able to sway the vote every time so that an authentic villager gets lynched, and then someone else gets it in the neck during the night. Voting without being pretty sure is just doing their work for them, and killing us off twice as quickly.

LeavemeAlone said @ 1:18pm GMT on 18th Apr
The first lynchings are usually wild guesses. Back in the day, you'd lynch a guy if he looked at you funny, or didn't look at you funny. Hell, you could start a nice bonfire with the corpses afterward. Of course, the werewolves didn't like cooked meat, so they'd never take the bait. Oh well. At least look for the werewolf whose mouth is watering during the lynching.

crad said @ 8:54pm GMT on 18th Apr
Asking for the seer to contact you? Exactly what the alpha wolf would want. Isn't it?

remiq said @ 12:20am GMT on 19th Apr
That's exactly what anyone beside normal wolf would want.

v21 said @ 12:23am GMT on 19th Apr
I'm fairly silent, or at least play only once a day, because my computer is a short bike ride away from where I live, due to a power cable-USB hole mishap last Christmas Day. So there are factors other than devious strategy.

I was behind the whole kill-thems-who-don't-ever-speak thing, but lynching those who merely don't talk enough seems a bit much. But maybe that's just me not wanting to be lynched.

badgerbaiter said @ 12:38pm GMT on 18th Apr
I vote for Nick

I think I hit a nerve earlier and that is why I am being attacked. Plus he was the one who definitely thought that Bob (god rest his soul) was a wolf and started the ball rolling.

Thanks for the bread.

Nick said @ 12:55pm GMT on 18th Apr
No, you're just angry since I pointed out how you'd defended BobTWC on multiple occasions. Of course, this has since been proven to have been the right thing to do, and I was quite wrong. However, if I'd withdrawn my vote then both Bob and Context would have been dead this morning. Depending on whether Context turns out to be a wolf or not, if I was a werewolf I would have withdrawn my vote at the last minute.

And I'm not attacking you. I have no quarrel with you, you've made some good observations today and were in the right yesterday. I'm a very competitive baker, hence my zealousness yesterday, my eagerness to refute lycanthropy allegations against myself and my desire to make sure we get a werewolf today if we do hold a lynching.

P.S. I weed in your bread.

badgerbaiter said @ 12:57pm GMT on 18th Apr
Those bagels were rather tart now you mention it......

Nick said @ 12:58pm GMT on 18th Apr
As an addendum, I did not get the ball rolling on BobTWC's hilarious miscarriage of justice. Gronk23 and Context both voted for him at least 6 hours before I did.

LeavemeAlone said @ 1:29pm GMT on 18th Apr
No, you just wanted the all powerful stem-cells of the mob.

CapnSilver said @ 1:39pm GMT on 18th Apr
Are you saying you were the third person to jump on that bandwagon, nick?

Nick said @ 2:31pm GMT on 18th Apr
I was the first person to jump on your bandwagon, baby.

badgerbaiter seems to be acting at best out of vendetta, and worst because he sees me as a threat to his blood-drinking pals.

Context said @ 1:58pm GMT on 18th Apr
He's right, I got the BobTWC ball rolling, because he defended another player.

Context said @ 2:00pm GMT on 18th Apr
Nick was my first theory, since he made the first accusation, against the mayor... that kind of baseless attack seemed very aggressive and wolfy.

LeavemeAlone said @ 3:49pm GMT on 18th Apr
You'd be surprised how passive a wolf can be. A lynched person isn't eaten, just taken care of. And it is a lot easier to have the group kill your enemy than it is to kill your enemy yourself.

Nick could be a werewolf, but he could also just be a dick.

solitude said @ 12:54am GMT on 19th Apr
On SE the dick theory could carry particular weight.

Context said @ 10:48pm GMT on 18th Apr
Change to No One! Read Barnabas' theory, I think it'll work, but only if nobody gets lynched.

animus kadmon said @ 1:02pm GMT on 18th Apr
This is fun to read. Wish I had joined in now.

Nick said @ 1:08pm GMT on 18th Apr
I vote to lynch animus kadmon!

nt rly

animus kadmon said @ 1:41pm GMT on 18th Apr
Can't. I'm two towns over watching live, up-to-the-minute new coverage of the werewolf attacks and posting tirades on the internet about needing stricter werewolf control issues and how there needs to be regulations on White Wolf role playing games.

plexer said @ 3:12pm GMT on 18th Apr
Ah good old White Wolf chat rooms. The hotel was always full of people engaging in role playing cyber sex.

I can't begin to describe how many hilarious hours I spent lurking there.

LeavemeAlone said @ 3:42pm GMT on 18th Apr
Lurking for fresh meat to eat?

CapnSilver said @ 3:44pm GMT on 18th Apr
Well seeing as whitewolf invented vampires and werewolves, will we be sued?

Kimota said @ 6:05pm GMT on 18th Apr
"As noon neared, the people was very obviously reluctant to cast a vote. Probably the guilt for the killing of mayor BobTWC was too much for their consciences. But somebody better started jumping in any bandwagon, because a tie could send several citizens to the gallows at once."

Votes:

gronk23 - 1 vote (endopol)
TheCooler - 1 vote (CapnSilver)
Nick - 1 vote (badgerbaiter)
LeavemeAlone - 1 vote (plexer)

CapnSilver said @ 6:17pm GMT on 18th Apr
we're halfway through the day?

gronk23 said @ 7:47pm GMT on 18th Apr
I have been spending the better part of today in silent mourning for our good mayor. I fear I was the catalyst that led to his untimely demise. I'm sorry I was the first too vote for him. And I'm sorry I retracted my vote for him when it was too late. And I can still feel his wrathful spirit lurking about. Is this what we've become?

Okay I'm over it. Win a few, lose a few. Who do we lynch next?

But seriously, maybe we should consider having everyone voting for no lynching this round. Force the wolves to reveal themselves a bit more. Think about it. It's in the best interest of the wolves for us to go on lynching at this point since we don't really have any idea who they are, and a random lynching is more likely to target a villager. If we all vote for no one, the wolves still kill someone, but we've bought ourselves another round. Because time is decidedly not on our side.

Just a thought.

Otherwise, I'll probably just stick out my tongue and change my vote to vote for endopol as a retaliatory move. Stupid sexy endopol...I could swear I saw him scratching at fleas earlier today...

I vote to lynch no one

Barnabas_Truman said @ 9:08pm GMT on 18th Apr
An intriguing idea, but I'm not sure whether or not it's strategically useful. On the one hand, yes, it does seem foolish to lynch random people (likely, at this point, to be innocent townsfolk, and thus hastening our town's demise) without any information. On the other paw, post-lynching necromancy is pretty much our only way of gaining information at this point, since an intelligently-playing werewolf isn't going to reveal anything useful in dialogue or voting.

However--and I think this may ultimately be the game-deciding factor here--each day we don't lynch someone buys another day for the seer to investigate. I think this will eventually boil down to the seer (if he/she survives long enough!) deciding at what point it will be worthwhile to reveal (and thus effectively sacrifice) him/herself to give the rest of the town all the information gathered so far. I'm thinking that a good time for this would be after the seer knows of several werewolves, or has checked, say, at least half of the remaining townsfolk. Or something like that.

Also, instead of just voting on who to lynch, I move that we should also be making open suggestions to the guardian about whom to protect--just to get more ideas out there. The community might notice something that one individual might not.

Also also, I suggest that the guardian protect ME tonight, because merely making this suggestion probably makes it look like I'm the guardian or something, so the wolves are probably going to kill me. Damn. Well, I'm going to post anyway because I think this information needs to get out in the open. THE TRUTH MUST BE KNOWN!

Oh, and Happy Hour starts at 5:00. Free drinks for the ladies!

juju said @ 9:27pm GMT on 18th Apr
Ladies drink free? Well, that's almost enough to convince me to move into a werewolf infested town!

Context said @ 10:43pm GMT on 18th Apr
What if a wolf lies, and says they are the seer, when they are not? I suppose we would simply lynch them the next day, though, so either way, we find a wolf. But we may lose our seer.

So, get to work, seer! Once you find a couple wolves, let us know, and the guardian will protect you hence!

Context said @ 10:45pm GMT on 18th Apr
I vote to lynch no one

Barnabas has a really great theory about letting the seer do his work while we don't lynch anyone. Once the seer finds one or two wolves, then he can let us all know, and the guardian will protect him. This will put the pressure on the wolves, and they'll have to figure out who the seer and guardian are before they get found out.

v21 said @ 12:42am GMT on 19th Apr
I vote to lynch no-one

No-one has compromised themselves yet, all that we've done is formed hostilities between ourselves. The seer is the most powerful person in the game, and I say he should do his work. But he shouldn't say it straight out. The town doesn't gain by learning who the seer is, only the wolves. Spread the word via the trusted villagers you find, seer. If three people spring up saying they've all been contacted by the same person, and he says such and such is a werewolf, then I reckon lynch em. After all, if not we just lynch the fake seer the next day, and we're still one werewolf down. Remember: we outnumber the werewolves, and always will (unless we lose)

Now, to carry on making enemies amongst ourselves, who should the seer seer? Selfishly, I'd like to say me, but really we should be investigating suspected warewolves, because they're more valuable info than innocents.

Kimota, how many werewolves are there in this town? Can we know?

remiq said @ 1:42am GMT on 19th Apr
Barnabas_Truman's theory is a bullshit. I won't stand still while wolves are eating us. I don't belive in seer. I bet after a few days he will get killed and we will know nothing beside that a few of us were human.

I vote to lynch Barnabas Truman, the inkeeper.

remiq said @ 1:44am GMT on 19th Apr
Oh, and that's how this idea ends. If you don't vote, BT will die.

v21 said @ 2:24am GMT on 19th Apr
Only if your bandwagon gets bigger than his bandwagon. Voting for no-one wins and no-one dies if more people say "lynch no-one" than say "lynch someone".

And: you don't "believe" in the seer? Dude, unless you're calling Kimota a liar, you're an idiot. If Barnabas is wrong, say why. Someone points out a logical flaw, I'll hop straight back off, and so will most everyone else, I reckon. "I won't stand still while wolves are eating us."? So you'd rather we lynched innocents instead? That helps no-one but wolves.

thumble said @ 3:04am GMT on 19th Apr
I think it's foolish to place all bets on the seer. If he takes too long gathering intelligence he puts himself at risk of getting caught by the alpha wolf and getting gobbled without helping at all. If he doesn't gather enough info he isn't as useful and he gets gobbled with minimal help and/or ties up the guardian's resources. And it's too easy for a seer to be faked, at least temporarily.

solitude said @ 1:53am GMT on 19th Apr
I'm not sure yet, but if we vote to lynch no-one we also don't learn anything from that and I still think a wolf posing as seer would be very dangerous. The fake seer could just say noone he seered was a wolf yet. Or even worse target one of his own. After that everyone would trust him and he could kill everyone at night whilst with complete townie-trust stating that everyone is innocent by day.

I like Barnabas' theory, but I'm not 100% convinced it will work. For now however I have no better idea.

solitude said @ 2:10am GMT on 19th Apr
The more I think of it the more holes appear in the BT theory. I don't think it's intentional by BT, or at least I hope not because it has gotten a lot of people convinced. Another bandwagon if you will. Context seems to be pushing this theory at every possible point in the thread, even though he has already admitted that most could be learned from killing him or badgerbaiter. But then again, he's probably just drunk.

thumble said @ 2:55am GMT on 19th Apr [Score:1 Insightful]
In a perfect world where only wolves are evil and townies are only good, it may be wise to choose to never lynch anyone and wait for the wolves to leap on someone, or for the seer to pipe up. But the fact is innocent people will vote to lynch others on suspicion only. Or for revenge or because they're just too damn talkative. Meanwhile the wolves know that they definitely get at least one kill in per day, and the seer is in increasing risk of getting busted investigating the alpha wolf, in the worst case scenario before his influence is even felt.

A vote for no one is a vote for less information. How a person defends themself, how a person is defended by others, these are valuable tells. Don't throw away opportunities!